The Last Evening

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This week, they discuss the season one finale - The Last Evening. They talk about the bewtting odds on suspects, the films of David Lynch, and the many cliffhangers the show leaves us with.

They continue to attempt to unravel the mystery, decipher the clues, and review the episode, which Adam has seen many times before and Steve has never seen in his life!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:23

Oh, for God's sake!

SPEAKER_02 0:26

For goodness sake. You forget that the uh this is what TV used to be like. Yeah. Right? Where like a lead character would potentially die and then they'd go, see you next year, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

Yeah, if if we do.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Yeah, if it if we don't get cancelled.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

If we get picked up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, everyone's getting cancelled these days.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Everyone's getting cancelled these days.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Not us.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

We're the good boys.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

We're the good boys, we hope. Oh, this could age real bad. Because when did this come out? In a good couple of months.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

In a couple of months, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully nothing's come out about us by then. That'll be fine. That'll be fine. We won't be cancelled. We're not gonna be cancelled by then. Um it took ages to catch up with us with the the the nefarious goings-on that we have. In the same way that it took me ages to I said to you halfway through this episode, something happened and I just went, I've absolutely no idea who's working with who for the sawmill plot. The sawmill thing. I got there eventually, man. I've got it. I know what was going to happen. Okay, I'm glad you can try and uh it's in my head, I can unravel that for you. That's absolutely fine. You can unravel that for me, and you can unravel this.

SPEAKER_03 1:30

And I'm I'm not pointing at my crotch. I was gonna say you are now. I am now, yeah. I was gonna say, welcome to welcome to Twin Peaks, a Twin Peaks podcast for beginners. Now I was saying a beginner's guide to Twin Peaks. I think it's a Twin Peaks podcast for beginners. Is it? Yeah. Okay, cool. We'll find out. We'll find out when it comes out. Yeah, yeah. What if this episode ends up with me being shot?

SPEAKER_02 1:50

I'd love that.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

I'd have a new host for season two. It'd be great.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Hey, talking of episodes.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Nice. Do you like that? Yeah, I didn't mind it.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

It's the finale. The finale. It's called The Last Evening. The Last Evening.

SPEAKER_03 2:06

Written by Get This. Okay. David Lynch and No. Mark Frost.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Just Mark Frost. Oh yeah. Mark Frost wrote and directed this episode.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

You let me write down David Lynch.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

I didn't see what you were writing. You need to suppose so.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

You need to vet my notes. I do. Uh The Last Evening, which is.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

You deleted it, even though it won't come up again. I've deleted that, yeah. Yeah, okay. But the notes are now correct. Exactly, yeah. So I know that. So after we've done it, the notes are now right.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Yeah, and no one can prove that I got it wrong because there's no recorded evidence. Listen. Hey, that was episode seven. Yes. Which is the eighth episode of Twin Peaks Season 1. Yes. And this is our ninth episode.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

We did it.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

We did it. We are at the season finale. Something's wrapped up.

SPEAKER_03 2:56

Yes, more than I thought uh might be the case. Obviously, we are left with a few hanging threads and things. But like, you know, it did hey, get this. What? Daddy O. That's how I speak now. Yeah. That's what we talk like in the good boys. Um, which is our new nickname. Uh I said it won't be an explosive finale. There was a like a bomb thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

It's a good old-fashioned bomb. Yeah. With wires hanging out of it. And a ticking clock. Yeah, a little timer that you twist and everything. Yeah. So it was fairly explosive. It ends like one of the cliffhangers is Pete running into a burning building. Yeah. And if that's not explosive, I don't know what is.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

Uh yeah, there's a good point. I mean, there was also people got shot. People got shot. And all sorts.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

We had another murder.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

Murder. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, we had another murder. Um we had a suicide.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Yeah, there a lot happened in this one, didn't it?

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Yes. Incidentally, that's so we should this should be like a we should do like a corrections corner. Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Like not just for your notes, but just for things that seem to sing the corrections corner song together.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Corrections corner. Great.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

And and that and that's how like we'd think we are. We just knew the lyrics.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Listeners would be surprised how much intense eye contact that actually took. We're gonna just do this. We're gonna just do this. We did, yep. Good boys. Good boys. We're um what do we need to correct? Well, no, not correction, but I I think I said at the beginning of uh at the end of last week's episode, like, oh, there'll be stuff that I've forgotten to talk about and leave out and stuff. And of course, there was the phone call at the fucking beginning of the last episode where where Lucy gets a call from her doctor, and I'm not sure what that is, and it turns out in this episode she's pregnant, yeah. Which is why you need that. And I also said in the last episode, I don't know why we needed that scene about the silent drape runners, and it's to set up the fact that she's so bereft about it that um Nadine tries to kill herself in this episode.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like they successfully set that thing up with Lucy that the uh well, she's got bad news from the doctor, so she there's something gravely wrong with her.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Bad news for Andy from the way that he reacted.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

I mean, it was a rough night for him, right? In a few different ways. It was a great night. Well, like a roller coaster of a night.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

You save your boss's life. I mean, that's pretty incredible. That was badass. I love that. It was badass, yeah. We'll get there. We'll get there.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

That's one of many things that happened in Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

We uh what did we what did we start with? Oh, we literally started where we left off, right? We started in Dr. Jacoby's office. Of course. With the palm trees on the new on the wallpaper, the sounds of the ocean over his housewide stereo that they like fuck about with.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

The light up puffer fish in the fake aquarium.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Yeah. Do you know what? Good for him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

I don't like the vibe, but but he has his thing.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

Yeah, he's got a few.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

And actually, I I like I mean, he's got a special interest, and it's Hawaii.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

It's Hawaii. It's Hawaii. It's it's it's nice to see people go all in on the things that they love. Don't go half baked on Hawaii. Oh man. Go all the way. I still don't really know where the stereoscopic 3D glasses fit into Hawaii. Right, but do you know what?

SPEAKER_03 6:20

I noticed this in the last episode, he's hanging out with those on. Like, that's not like a thing to go out with home with those.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

It's fucking prescription. Oh yeah. Do you think he only sees in 2D when he doesn't have them on? It's like a rare medical condition. I think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

So it's the only way he can like perceive the the the reality that we live in. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, so what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Uh yeah, I love it. So they walk in, they go, how are we gonna what are we even looking for? And James immediately goes, What's this? Yeah, here's something.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

It's probably this. It's well, but that what that was was a box with seashells on it that when he opened it was a collection of umbrellas. Yes. Uh little cocktail umbrellas. Yeah, cocktail umbrellas, which were obviously the cocktails he was drinking at important parts, moments in his life. Men landing on the moon, the first time he set eyes on Mimsy, uh, who's obviously an important woman to him. I think that's cool. Again, it's a special interest type thing.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

It shows he's been into it for fucking ages.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Yes, exactly. Um, they uh they remember something that Laura said on her tape, which is about his secret coconut, yeah, which I imagine they must have thought meant his ball sack up until now. Uh and and um I imagine and but she saw an actual coconut, she saw the coconut and opened the coconut, and they find the tape they were looking for and the necklace. The necklace. Yeah, the voiceover goes. Yeah, the ATR, the necklace. The necklace.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Yeah, um the same one with umbrellas. Yes, yeah, yeah. I love it. Oh, I love it. Yeah, yeah. So they find that, and I mean that is that has been left dangling um a little bit, hasn't it? Uh the the necklace thing.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Uh the necklace thing has, it has been left dangling in much much the way that it would dangle around the neck. Yeah. Yes. Um but and they they play the tape, we'll get to the tape in a bit, because obviously now this is something else I got wrong.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

We both got wrong because we They did not want Dr.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Jacoby to meet Laura.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

And now it makes more sense he was so interested in the gazebo because that he was him bigger.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Where the video was shot.

SPEAKER_03 8:30

They were trying to send him to a different location.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Sorry if you've been confused about that over the last week. Hopefully it snaps together at the same time as it did for you, as it did for us, which was immediately upon play this episode. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

I imagine actually that people have been seething all week.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

I imagine so, yeah, absolutely. I think I think our listeners have dropped by 75% between the episodes just because they were so livid about it.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

But this is why we do Corrections Corner.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

It's why it's why we do Corrections Corner, you know. Of course. Um Dr. Jacoby does go and try to find this mysterious uh Laura and is then attacked by the person who was watching Bobby watch Laura. Yeah. If you remember this from last week. Now, obviously, my big cool take turned out to probably not be the case. I can't imagine that was Leland. Yeah, there's no reason for it to be. There's no reason for it to be. Um it was somebody in a in a balaclover. Is that I think so. Yeah, the face covering. Um and they beat up Dr. Jacoby so bad he had a heart attack, basically.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

Well they are deliberately sort of hammering on him rather than like he's not punching him in the face. Right. That seemed a very deliberate thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um yeah, so he ended up in hospital, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Um and then we cut two well we don't cut two. We zoom all the way into Dr. Jacoby's eye. Oh which becomes a roulette wheel. Of course. And we're back in one eye jacks. We're back there. We're back in one eye jacks where um uh Cooper is is undercover with Ed Hurley. Oh, of course. Big Ed in Canada.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

And he strikes up this deal, he he essentially starts playing the buyer, or not the buyer, sorry, the the money guy in the drug scheme that Jacques Renault has going with Leo. Yeah. Uh and now I thought it was I we're not scurrying around the idea of entrapment. I guess not. I guess all you want to do, no, I guess he's making a deal with him and saying, like, I've got work for you that's gonna be like 10 grand payday to make sure he does it, I suppose, but it's across the border. I suppose all they need is for him to be across the border and they can arrest him for what they suspend him on, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Yeah, it also gives him the comfort the comfort to kind of confess a bunch of stuff in the bar, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rough scene. Um in a series of rough scenes in this one, uh, with more information about uh the the death of Laura Palmer. I think where they actually end up with it is deciding that Jacques Renault probably didn't kill either of the girls. He was there. He was there, and he talks about the bird um and Laura Palmer being tied up while Leo Johnson has sex with her uh because that's what she liked, and the bird is pecking on her shoulder and she's complaining about it, uh which is why he then puts the one-eyed jack chip in her mouth and tells her to bite it, which is how she ends up swallowing with a bit of plastic. Um in this same episode, we obviously have the recording of Laura Palmer to Dr. Jacoby saying that she has this mystery guy who has maybe tried to kill her during sex a couple of times, but she's into that. Yeah. That's kind of what does it for her. Um but she won't say who it is, just that he's got a red Corvette, which I'm sure is very popular in Twin Peaks. I'm sure there's loads of red Corvettes in Twin Peaks, but obviously that leads everybody to suspect Leo Johnson because of his his red his red Corvette. Because of his red corvette. Because they've been going on about it for the whole season. So there's like a direct link there. I really like the way that that kind of information is not spotlit. Right. The conversations are not inherently dramatic. Like I know there's a there's a dramatic tension because when Cooper is talking to Jacques Renault, he offers to buy him a cocktail, he orders two beers.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

That's a cocktail to me, man. What a legend. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

I'm mixing one beer with another beer. Cocktail beer. He had a bud and a bud light. Yeah. There's an inherent drama there because obviously he's undercover, and you know, he doesn't actually necessarily ask for specifics. Yeah. Joc about the murder or or about the abuse. Jacques Renault offers it as a kind of casual piece of conversation that you might have with somebody. Yeah. And what Mark Frost does to highlight that for us is it's an extreme close-up on his mouth.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

It's really gross.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

You don't see the rest of his face. It's just a shot of his mouth. I think that's really effective because he's gross. Yeah. Uh and he's describing gross things. Yeah. So he's giving us uh that feeling through the visual language of the scene rather than doing anything as kind of dramatically cheap as a flashback. Yeah, that's very much. Which I think lots of other shows would have done. We've had no Laura Palmer flashbacks. Yes, and I think that's really important at the end of the season to recognise. Um a lot of shows would have flashed back to events, you'd have a much clearer idea of what was kind of going on in the cabin or the train car where they were killed that you don't have in Twin Peaks. You are very much you have as much information as Cooper has, I suppose. You don't have the level of deduction that he has, but all of the deduction makes sense to you because you have the same amount of information. Yeah. Um the when she says when Laura kind of reveals that she actually kind of gets off on really rough sex, it's just a matter-of-fact thing said on a tape being listened to by other people. There's no dram dramatising of that. It's a it's casual. It's as casual as Jacques Renault's description of the events that evening. And I think that makes them even more shocking. The way that she's like, he's tried to kill me a couple of times. You know I like that. As like this something we've discussed loads. We talk about this all the time. Yeah. How you know, my kind of quasi-death fetish. Um which I think is really interesting and very effective.

SPEAKER_03 15:25

I also thought like it's that same scene that made me realise like it doesn't hold your hand, and I you become quite conditioned to a lot of shows that do that. But when she says, and he had, you know, a red Corvette, and we've just like obviously she didn't turn to the camera and go it was Leo.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Right, yeah, nobody in that room went Leo Johnson has a red corvette. Obviously, we've had the blood umbrellas, but I think that sometimes. But yes, that it's not baked into the script. Yeah, it's an after, it's it's a it's it's a post process where they're like, that doesn't quite track for an audience, let's put a line in here. Yeah. It's not baked into the script where it's like we need to be reminding people of everything at the end of each scene so they know what's happened. And that's why the sawmill plot was so confusing to me. Yeah. Because my brain has been trained on TikTok to expect answers to things every 30 seconds. And that's a big part of why we wanted to do the show this way. Yes. Uh, and do it in person and do it in a room where I create a vibe that looks like red curtains and a red light.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

Um we should really get a photo of this guy.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Because we're the vibes, guys, I suppose. Vibes guys. Yeah. Um it's it I think, yes, it was important to us to uh really sit in the vibe of it and sit in not you know, not have something that is constantly like I've seen clips of the newest season of Stranger Things where there's like I think in the finale there's three separate scenes where people like literally show a diagram of what's going on. Yeah, they take an object and go, imagine this is this, and then we're gonna do this and then this and then that, and then someone repeats it and yeah. It's just it's it's insulting writing that I don't think Twin Peaks kind of suffers from.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

But it is kind of written now for the way that people watch things. And obviously that's created by those people that have created that. But um, but yeah, the reason I wanted to kind of like do the podcast and stuff like that is because I I'm quite victim to being distracted. Like my brain is like that now, uh huh. And I have no excuse, but I all I can do is watch Trim Peaks uh while we're sat here because like I we need to then talk about it. So it's really like it's cool for that reason.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

And we don't look at our phones, no, um and we don't make notes as I think would be sort of like I think that's very apparent from the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

I don't think that comes across the thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Um yeah, and I think what um something that we maybe should recognise is what we're doing is how people would have watched it when it was on.

SPEAKER_03 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

We're not taking a break every time there's an ad break, yeah. Like where people would have five minutes or whatever to to watch uh you know something about a Hoover or McDonald's or whatever. We're not doing that, so we are sat in the vibe for for for for longer than um than than you would with with uh ad-based television. Um but this is how people would have watched it in 1990, they wouldn't have been on their phone or you know, whatever. They might have been talking to people. I know that people like it's it's really interesting. Like um, I think a lot of television shows um from this time have a certain standing today because they're like hidden gems, or like a lot of media people sort of rediscover and go, like, oh, do you know this was actually really good and it was cancelled before its time and all of that thing, you know? Um stuff like Firefly, right? Sure. You know, where people like I can't believe this only got one season, yeah. They didn't even air all of it because it's really good. Why did no one recognise its great and greatness? Twin Peaks was not like that. People this was very popular, right? I mean like like people saw how good it was when it was on. Yeah, and it eventually getting cancelled, which it does, spoiler alert. Okay, um, it eventually getting cancelled is a um it is slightly to do with the creative process, but it's mostly to do with Bob Iger not really understanding what it was that he had. Yeah. Um, who was the head of the television network at that point and now runs Disney.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Is he a bad guy?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Uh Bob Iger is he's alright. Okay I think he's we don't really want to get into my power rankings of the Disney CEOs, but he's not as bad as Michael Eisner. Um he's no Walt Disney, he's barely a Roy Disney, but you know, he's way better than ChayPek.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

When you're in your rank, do you have trading cards for these? No.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

Okay. I should make some. I did, I saw you glaze over then. You were just like, I've got nothing for this. I've got nothing for the Disney CEO.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

I watched I watched that Imagine Imagineering uh doc. Yeah, yeah. And I probably saw one of the men you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

You saw loads of the men. He was there, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

He was involved, very important for the Disney company. That's a really interesting take. And that's something I'm gonna take to my grave. I don't know that. When you're gonna take it, you're gonna keep it a secret. That Walt Disney was important to the Disney company. I know, I I am really I do realise this episode is gonna go out, which is a problem.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

That's okay, man. We're kind of like um uh well we're kind of like the Joe Rogan podcast in that we talk about the conspiracy theories like that, like Walt Disney being important to the Disney company, but um we're not as like uh health supplemente uh or right wing about we're the good bros, aren't we? We're the good bros. Yeah, they're like the bad bros. We're the good bros.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

They have a red curtain behind them as well, don't they? Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

No, I think they have a neon sign that says the Joe Rokan experience next to a neon sign that says beer. Is it spear? I believe it's called the Joe Rokan experience.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Is the health supplements thing? I've never listened to Joe Rogan.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

They just always advertise health supplements, don't they? Isn't that what those bro kind of podcasts do? Really? I think so.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

It's all the supplement based. Maybe we should get into that. Maybe we should. Yeah. Hey.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

What?

SPEAKER_03 21:30

Hey, hey, what if what if we were one of those shows that people said was cancelled before their time.

SPEAKER_04 21:39

I just don't see it happening.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Okay. We could be one of those hidden gems. Or do you think we'll be like Twin Peaks and we're amazing as it's on?

SPEAKER_02 21:46

I think we'll be hidden, but I probably wouldn't say gem. Interesting. Just sort of hidden, and rightfully so. I think that's what history will decide. Yeah. Yeah. They got the success they deserved. They'll dig it up.

SPEAKER_03 21:59

Dig it up and 200 years of time ago. What's this? Oh, oh, that's why it was there. In in someone put what physical thing would this it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Well, we could talk about our other podcast because our other podcast is in the British Library.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

So so in thousands of years, people can can go to that archive. They they deem for some reason they deem that podcast. What did the email say? It's like important enough to the the canon of UK audio recordings that it should be in the British Library. And who are we to argue? I don't think Welcome to Twin Peaks is making it, my guy.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

That's kind of the rock and roll hall of fame of podcasting, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 22:39

I look, I think it's that's the thing I'm most proud of to have achieved, genuinely to probably have achieved in my life. To have something in the British Library that will just stand the test of time is something. And it's weird that it's sort of like us waffling on about Muse. Do you know what I mean? But what Is it physically in the library? They have they they downloaded copies of it and it's on their servers, and anybody can go and access that at any time if you know the catalogue number. That's incredible. Or the title of it, which is What is Music and Music Podcast About Music for anybody who wants to. I will say that um going to the British Library and asking for a copy of it is the least easy way to access our podcast. Please do it though. You could just go on you know Spotify. Yeah. Uh that would also be fine. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Um take a memory stick to the library.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

They arrest Shot Renault when he gets and there was no edit there. It'll sound like there was an edit in the audio, but there wasn't. Um there was and people will think that me highlighting it means that there was.

SPEAKER_04 23:38

But there wasn't, no.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

They arrest Choc Renaud when he uh over the border in a set from Blade Runner? Yeah, with the neon blue lights of the factory and yeah, the teal and blue that you hate. Uh no, not the teal and blue original.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

I don't mind it in this. It looked great, right?

SPEAKER_02 23:55

I mean, look, they use it for a reason, it often looks good. Yeah. Uh describe that scene for us though.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Well, there's a lot of fish-based uh kind of metaphors going on.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

He won't be here for the catch, he'll be here when we grill him. Everyone grab him by the fin. I did wonder if there was gonna be one dude who doesn't work with them often who come on the edge and just be like Sorry, just to be really clear about what we're doing. We're talking about a guy, right? Yeah, because we're not near anybody in water.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

The guy we're catching a guy. We're gonna arrest the guy. Uh he turns up.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Jocques Renault.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Jocques Renault.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

He turns up. Uh the police are already there.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

They do some sick handbrake turns. There's no need for that guy to be trying to get so fast. Yeah, he loved it. Yeah. Um and they get out and they tell him to he got he reaches for something in the car. Uh-huh. But they drop it. Keep your hands where I can see them, buddy. Sorry. No, that was a I think that was a line from the episode. Okay, yeah. Uh puts them on the roof of the car. But how does it end up that how do we get into the situation we get into from there? He has a gun. He is a yeah, but where from?

SPEAKER_02 25:03

His trousers? Or the car or something? Yeah. He points it at Harry. Yeah, I know. A gun goes off. Luckily, it's not Jacques Renaud's.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

But who is it?

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Well, someone has shot Jacques Renault in the shoulder. It's Andy. It's only Andy. What an incredible hero shot of Andy's. It's really great the way it's the gun right down the barrel of the camera.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

Pans across, yeah, it's really good.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

The light shining through his hair.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

There's sort of weird mohawk. You wait to the return.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

Oh, really? When everyone's like 60 and he's still got that haircut. Yes. It's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

Yeah, that was that was excellent, and I was so pumped. Um, but he yeah, he shoots Shock and uh in like the arm. Yes. In the left arm. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Talk me through why um it's important which arm he was he was shot in.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Uh because later on the right arm gets taped to a bed.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Yeah, but I imagine if he'd been shot in the right arm, they would have taped up the left.

SPEAKER_03 26:02

Yeah, they wouldn't they would have had the the hospital bed facing the other way. The other way, yeah. Is that interesting?

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Oh right, so I guess it wouldn't have been against the wall. So that's why it is.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

I meant it was more just to say the fact that Leo also got shot in his left arm. Right, okay. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

The first time he gets shot. Right, that is interesting. People love getting shot in the left arm. They love it. Yeah, they love it. Um he's taken to hospital. Yeah. Just uh true obviously rumours get round town. A suspect in the Laura Palmer murder case has been taken to a hospital. In the hospital, he's he's interrogated by Harry and Cooper. Yeah. Um and says that Leo attacked him on the night of the on the night of the murder. Um and he claims to have been unconscious while the killing occurred. Yeah, yeah. So so Leo must have taken Renette and Laura to the train car by himself.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

Yeah, I forgot about Renette until it was mentioned, honestly. That was a really striking scene early on, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Um with her walking down the rail tracks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Did we where how what tied that off? Did did she die?

SPEAKER_02 27:12

I think she's still in a coma, isn't she?

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Is she? Okay, that is still there, okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

I think so. Yeah. I might be wrong.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Well, there's no way to find out.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

We watched these spread out. Well, I mean, we've watched these spread out over about six months at this point. So my memory's a little bit hazy. But uh yeah, I think she's still in still in the coma. Um things get worse for Shelly.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Because Leo comes home and assaults her, takes her to the sawmill, ties her up, yeah, puts her near the the the lighting device. Because of course Leo Okay, alright. Let's see if we can see the colours.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

So you're gonna we're gonna get into the sawmill stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

Yeah, let's do the sawmill stuff. Alright. Leo has been hired by Hank to do the grunt work, which is set the sawmill on fire. Hank is working on behalf of Josie Packard, right? Yeah. Who wants the sawmill to burn down with Catherine in it. I imagine for two reasons. One, the life insurance money that we learnt about last week.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Two, the control of the mill.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

Right? Yeah. Catherine is kind of an overbearing manager. Josie technically owns it. There's that power struggle they've been having since episode one. Um Benjamin Horn obviously wants the sawmill uh taken down because that is the site that he is planning to to build on. Of course. With the people from Iceland, the Icelandic people uh who sign off the contract for the Ghostwood what is it, Estate and Country Club, I think it is, yes. Um they do that in this episode at One Eye Jack's. Everybody's at One Eye Jack's. Um in order to What I can't quite work out is why Ben would want Catherine to think that she's kind of in on it as well. Yeah. I guess to just make the whole thing a little bit easier and not have to work behind her back.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Yeah, I guess so. Because they had both planned for her to be in the sawmill when it burns down.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Yes, because that's the life insurance thing. Yes. Maybe that maybe that's a secondary plan that came out of because obviously Ben Ben Horn, who's the owner of the department store, the owner of the Great Northern, a very powerful man about town, wants to build these new estates, he needs the sawmill gone. He goes to Catherine and goes, What can we do about this sawmill? Any chance you want it burning down. Yeah. And she's like, only if you have sex with me while you talk about it. Yeah. So that's what they do for four or five episodes. Yeah, I think so, yeah. Uh but but also I think at some point during the plan, Ben Horn would have been like, I can probably play both sides on this. Right, yeah. He thinks he's a very clever man. Yes, I mean, and he is. Yeah. You know, he runs One Eyed Jax, for instance. Yeah, yeah. Which is one of the cliffhangers, one of the more disgusting cliffhangers that we're that we're left with. So, like, where is this going? Yeah, well, you'll find out it's a fun um it's a fun episode one. Oh god. Oh, God, of course. It's a fun episode one of season two. So that's I think that's the sawmill stuff. I think kind of Josie and Hank. The Josie and Hank scene is very long where he tries to renegotiate his price. There's a lot of stuff that's implied there, including that the mur the the boating accident that killed Josie's husband was not an a boating accident, but was in fact a murder that was performed by Hank or covered up by Hank, who then went to jail for vehicular manslaughter. Yes. But all of that was at the behest of Josie, who wanted her husband dead, and her husband, who's now dead as a result of what turned out to be murder, but was uh judged vehicular manslaughter. Yeah, that's Catherine's brother.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Yes, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Who's Pete's wife?

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Yeah, oh god. So Pete, Pete, Pete Uh Big Pete. Um Josie's a really interesting character because she's like evil, right? Like she's plot well she's plotting like she's plotted murders to get to get money, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:40

She's plotted murders to get money. Now do you think that makes someone inherently evil, Steve? Yeah. Because I do think I think this show is about uh inherently. But we'll um no, I think it's about inherently evil.

SPEAKER_03 31:55

Really? Because because her character though is so soft and innocent and softly spoken and sad and yet she's like behind these big plots, you know, it's a really interesting because they're not they don't have her rubbing her hands and cackling about it or things like that. She just looks sort of generally just morose.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

I guess the read that I had on that up until uh maybe the last two episodes is that she was forced into those positions, right? But we're thinking maybe not now. Yeah. Which is an interesting thing to reveal about somebody. Um and that is also, you know, Laura Palmer she was uh tied up and beaten before she was killed. Actually the reveal is she that's kind of what she was into.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Which is really new, like kind of territory for like the stuff that I've watched before. Right. Because it's really easy to put people into that black and white thing of like they could have kept the thing that Laura Palmer was a super innocent person. Uh-huh. I'm not saying she wasn't innocent, you know, because everyone's got their kinks. But like that's not kinkshow. Absolutely. And we don't, and we won't. Correct. Um and then you've got yeah, you've got the Josie character as well, that isn't isn't like I don't know, she's quite likable. Yep. And yet maybe murdered her husband or got someone to murder her husband, and is trying to murder someone for a million dollars and burn down the sawmill.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

And then you got Big Ed, who is right, an incredible guy, right? Like we we love Big Ed. He is cheating on his wife.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

Yeah. Everyone's uh everyone's got their thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Yeah. Um and that is a very David Lynch, I think. Is uh the seedy underbelly of the small American town. Yeah. We need to discuss what we're gonna do in in the gap between seasons, but I haven't I have an idea, and and one of them would really explore that aspect uh of of his work. And what's that? Well we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. Because we're still we're still we're still in the episode of uh Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Oh, I didn't know these uh cameras the microphones were rolling.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Just casual, just casual podcasts. Yeah, people say sound rolling, I think. People do say that. Because the tapes would roll. Yes, I think the tapes would roll rather than the microphones themselves. I don't know what the benefit of a rolling microphone would be. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

Which just seems like a nightmare.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Seems like a nightmare. Unless you were doing at some kind of nature documentary and you could throw the microphone um alongside the animal you're trying to record. Although I imagine that the sound you'd get back is just rolling along the floor. Um it occurred to me I might have been a little bit stoned. And when and when I when I am a little bit stoned, yeah, I watch uh David Attenborough documentaries. What a what a vibe. Yeah. Obviously occurred to me that when they're filming like ants and stuff, they're not recording sounds. No, they're adding in sounds. So when I hear like when it's like biting into a leaf, that's not what happens.

SPEAKER_03 35:13

That's someone eating an apple on mic to get from a library of sounds or something. Yeah, it's the same when they've got they've zoomed in so far into this antelope, right? And you can hear it crunching the grass or walking. They've got sounds, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

What's that about?

SPEAKER_03 35:26

They put put in eating sounds for lions. Ym.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

That's mad to me.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Is it? Yeah, I don't know why. That's absolutely it just blows my mind. I've been watching the uh the dinosaur Netflix thing with Morgan Freeman. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Does he like it?

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Yeah, he loves it.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Are you guys doing the same thing that we're doing? Yeah, we're he comes around, you record a podcast episode after it. Crack open a couple of beers. It's a weird show to do a podcast about, the the new documentary about dinosaurs. Yeah. But the fact that you've got Morgan Freeman on the show is something that I really think elevates it.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Yeah, I mean that's gonna get me numbers, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Right, exactly. Yeah, it doesn't really matter what the show is about if your podcast has Morgan Freeman on it, people are gonna tune in.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

He's like a hundred now.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Really? Yeah. God love him. I have nothing to discuss.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

God love him, and he was God.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Oh, in Bruce Almighty. Yeah. Oh my favourite movie. Almighty then. Is that something?

unknown 36:19

Yeah. Almighty.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Almighty then. Yeah. That is something, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 36:23

I'm surprised he didn't do that in the movie. That's really good. Someone must have pitched that to him. Even just for a trailer or something. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

Almighty then.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Do you see Jim Carrey's face recently? Let's not talk about whether or not Jim Carrey's alive. I don't want to get it. We're not the Joe Rogan experience.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

We're not.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

No. Um what else happened in this episode, man? I feel like a lot happened in this episode, but also nothing happened in this episode. Um, because I think as many questions are answered as they are asked. Yeah, that's true. So, right, we've got the sawmill thing done. Sorted. Right. We've we've got that in our fucking head. Yeah. Leo does indeed set fire to the sawmill, but this time with it's Shelley is tied up in there. And then he goes back to his house to wait for Bobby. Um Bobby comes in, doesn't look behind the door. What an idiot. Yeah. It really seems like Yeah, you've got to check the corners. It really seems like Leo's gonna kill Bobby with an axe. With an axe. Yeah, which is actually kind of cool.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

There's a real um sort of slash of horror kind of shot where uh yeah, Bobby like falls against the telly and looks up as the axe comes is about to come down on him.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah, but then what happens?

SPEAKER_03 37:34

Leo is shot through the window. Another shot through the window, yeah. Another shot into Leo.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

And who is it? Who shot him? Hank. Hank.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

Oh, he was tying up some loose ends.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

A character, Hank, that I'm not like not my favourite. Not in like, oh, I don't think he's a great guy. But like he's introduced quite late. Wait, he's not a great guy. Agree to disagree. No. Okay. No, no, no. I love him. No, I I think that like the character's kind of introduced as just another layer that maybe I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

Because it's so important to the plot. And I don't mean the plot of the show, I mean like the plot to burn down the sawmill, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Yeah, no, for sure. No, and and all the other threads that go with that, but he is also like introduced as a kind of sleaze bag man who's also uh with uh married to one of the waitresses, and he's just like another wool wool.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Norma is not one of the waitresses, she's she owns the double R.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

I mean she's wearing the same uniform Shelly, yes, but she's you can forgive me. I will forgive you. Oh wow, that was easy. Yeah. You gave up really quickly then. No, well you don't stick to your morals, man. You don't bend over immediately then.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Forgiving someone is not about giving up, it's about finding the strength within your or giving. It's about finding the strength in yourself to uh, you know, let let those trespasses be by be bygones or something. Something's trespasses and trespasses against. Um and I think that that is, you know, uh that that is something interesting that the show plays with, is like this guy who's asking for redemption, who's asking for forgiveness whilst burning down the sawmill, you know.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

No, yeah. Like uh I I think that I think because he comes in late, I'm like, you're not one of my You're not one of the boys. You're not one of the boys.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

You're not one of the bookhouse boys.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

You're not one of the bookhouse boys, you're not one of the good boys, you're not one of the vibes guys.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

But there are a few characters who sort of uh drift in and out, right? Yeah, like the the very brash FBI agent has come on. I'll I'll spoil it for you now a little bit. He he does come back. Lovely uh at one point.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Good. Um Yeah, and then you've obviously got Ed's wife, who's barely in it really. Yes, caught in it quite early on, and then uh now potentially and maybe not in it.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Maybe not in it now. She um she takes a whole lot of uh of pills, and uh Ed finds her after he comes back from she's put on a nice dress and I think like it's just uh Heartbreaking it's really tragic, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

Um yeah, awful. And then Ed finds her and calls an ambulance.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

That's a cliffhanger that we're left with. That is one of the amongst quite a few. Yeah. Yeah, one of the other ones is um Ben Horn entering the room so that he can have sex with the new girl at One Eyed Jack's, the place that he owns. Yeah. And unbeknownst to him. The new girl is Audrey Horn, his daughter. Audrey Horn.

SPEAKER_03 40:22

Now we need to talk about a character that's introduced very briefly at that point. Somebody is sewing on a queen of diamonds onto her dress.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

A small woman with a hunchback.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

Dressed like as a monk. Who It's like a rope with a rope belt and like brown robes.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Who, when the door opens and Ben walks in, she scurries away into a hidden door. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

It absolutely cracked us up. Because what is that? I don't know. Why is that there? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

Who is that?

SPEAKER_04 40:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Perfect. Yeah, that don't I don't believe we ever see her again.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

I mean, give me a whole season on that.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Yeah. Oh, and it's like enough. If Twin Peaks was made today, we'd be getting her story as like a six-part limited season, like Andor or something.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Yeah, but but at the very it's it's not until like 30 minutes towards the end of the finale episode she gets the robes. You've got to build up to it.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Have you seen that um uh have you seen that post uh about um what is it, surfing Dracula? Surfing Dracula. Surfing Dracula, and if that TV show was made in the 90s, he'd be like every episode would be him being Dracula and surfing, yeah, and now it would take six episodes for him to find the surfboard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's exactly that. Absolutely spot on observation. Um yes, so but you know, the whiplash of laughing at the strange creature who makes the costumes at one-eyed jack to being confronted with the idea that um Ben's about to discover something about his daughter, or his daughter's about to discover something about him. I don't think she fully understands how involved her father is.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

Yeah, because they say the owner will be in sea soon and she doesn't know that he's the owner. Uh yeah. Is that true? Well, she didn't she waited for him. Unless that's the plan, you know? Um you say that this uh I'm gonna go back to the the mystery person that makes the costume. You said that makes the costumes just sewed a big card to uh or would the dress you already had.

SPEAKER_02 42:27

That is true, yeah. But the but the dress is from One Eyed Jacks. You'd have to imagine that she's some something of a seamstress.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

I'm something of a seamstress myself.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Exactly. And you know, all of the girls I are like have cards in their hair or like stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

It's it's you're saying this is the mastermind of the vibe. Maybe. Yeah. They've gone all in on the cards, haven't they? Yeah. Like even uh Jacques had like dice on his bolo, type, but then he had an armband and that had cards on it. Beautiful, beautiful stuff you love to see. It's really horrible.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

The outfit they put Audrey in is such uh a um an out-of-date idea of what sexy is. Like lace. Prillian lace, like slightly see-through, but still fully clothed from head to toe. Yeah, yeah. Like technically. Very interesting.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

I mean it is 1990, and I don't I don't Do you know what? In 1990, when I was one year old, I didn't know what sexy was.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

That's probably true.

SPEAKER_03 43:32

And there's a big cliffhanger to end the season on. Thank you for listening. Oh, we done. No, uh Yeah, so we Yeah, there's there's that cliffhanger.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

There's that cliffhanger. There's the cliffhanger that obviously Hank so Hank calls Catherine to find the ledger at the sawmill. Now obviously that's just an excuse to get her there. Um because sh they want her to burn in the building. Catherine gets there, she finds Shelly, she cuts Shelley free. We don't know if they escape, but we do know that Pete goes in to find Catherine because they have a bit of a heart to heart. But I feel like Catherine wasn't fully in.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

You know, I feel like she was being a bit manipulative, but Pete was all about it.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

He was all about he was like, he gave her a big cuddle, and she's like, yep, they're there.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Um she's still my wife, he says as he runs toward the burning building.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Well, I think because that in that conversation, she's like, Where's that lumberjack that I met that he would scurry up a tree? Come on. And then that was him like ripping a shut off to reveal. I'm still that lumberjack, I'm running in. Come on, Pete. Yeah, man. Um, Lucy's pregnant.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Just don't know if there's anything else, man. I don't know if there was any other hang uh any other cliff. I think you want to say hangovers. I don't know if there's any other nothing else happens of significance, did it? I don't remember. No, you get that nice scene at the end where I guess Dale Cooper is kind of summing up the whole season in a way, you know.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

With it where he's got his uh his tucks undone. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

He's saying, like, you know, we've got a suspect in custody, but it's not the murderer of Laura Palmer. We now suspect Leo Johnson, and Leo Johnson's not gonna get very far. I suppose one thing he doesn't know is that word has gotten around town that they have a suspect in the hospital, and specifically it's gotten to Leland Palmer, yeah, who then goes to the hospital and smothers Jacques Renault to death.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Did you see that coming?

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Did you have uh Leland Palmer as a murderer in your head?

SPEAKER_03 45:35

I mean, I knew he was gonna snap at some point for me, right? And and as soon as like he kind of hears that there is a suspect in the hospital, yeah, you think, yeah, he's on the way to the hospital. Like that's that's very clear.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Yeah, and you see him, you see he says the word hospital, turns around and walks out the door.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

Oh yeah, he literally goes, hospital.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In something that was not uh umbrellas, not ADR. It's like it's you can see it at us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

And then that's the end of the episode, and nothing else happens.

SPEAKER_02 46:05

Well, that's uh whoa, I don't know. I'm just trying to wrap my brain. I'm trying to wrap my brain. Uh I think that's let's let's stay on Leland for a little bit. Um what was your reaction to the to the fact that he has now killed someone?

SPEAKER_03 46:21

Um I don't know whether it'll go from there because I mean I bet she's going to prison. Well, yeah, he's left the tape on the the arm and stuff. Because like usually in these things when someone's smothered by a pillow, it kinda people are like, oh yeah, he just sort of died in his sleep. When I imagine it's probably in reality easy to see that someone's been smothered by a pillow. I don't know. Right. I've never done it. Big wink.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Um, the weird thing for listeners they should know you didn't wink. Yeah, yeah. You just said big big wink while making eye contact with me.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Uh I did uh hmm. I kind of did it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 46:57

We should do this as a video podcast just to bring us slightly closer to the Joe Rogan experience. I think that would be good. Yeah, I think that would be good. Sorry, carry on with what you were saying. Lelandow's a murderer.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

So what I meant is that I think, like, yeah, in these things when it's usually someone's smothered by a a pillow in hospital, it's like they died, um, and they get away with it. However, he has like tied the guy to the bed, and I wonder if it will come back on him. I think we'll actually see some uh uh repercussions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:27

Well you've got to assume that you know Cooper has an incredible ability to discern these things. From his dreams, yeah. Yes. If he's still alive. What do you mean? Well, he makes it back to his hotel room after this sum-up of the season that he's sending to Diane. Seems like everything is looking up for Dale Cooper. The Icelandic people have moved off his floor, it looks like he's gonna get some sleep. They've got a suspect in custody and another one who almost is almost certainly gonna get picked up by the net that he's uh that he's set up around town. Um not a literal net, just seeing that. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 48:01

It did strike me at that point, like why I'm so like I find it so normal that he's talking into a dictaphone. Yeah. I know he's then sending it off. It's essentially he's sending WhatsApp voice notes. Yes, he is. He is sending his fact that he has something in his hand and he's speaking into it that's not a phone, it looked really natural, and that's the reason why.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

I hate voice notes. Oh, I'm gonna send you so many. Oh, yeah, I forget.

SPEAKER_03 48:23

I'll be only uh yeah, five minutes. Yeah, I don't know. Right, it's the thing. I want to 22-minute voice note. That is it, that's that's just a fucking fuck behaviour. Yeah, it's it's people are like, well, it's so much easier. It's easier for the person sending it. The other person then has to find seven minutes of their life. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Yeah, it's awful. If I'm in the office, I can't look, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It does a bit. Um he's ordered warm milk to help him sleep. 24-hour room service, man. It's the incredible world we live in. He see he receives a note that Audrey Horn left him earlier in the day, I assume that would let him know that she was going to One Eyed Jack's. Yeah. It says my secret agent on the front. I don't think he reads it at that point. He does get a phone call. Yeah. He's like, could this not have waited until morning? What have you got for me? Uh and it was somebody telling them that Leo Johnson was found shot, although he doesn't actually hear that because his milk's turned up, so he goes to the door to answer. It's not his milk there.

SPEAKER_03 49:19

Yeah. What a load of correspondence he went through in this like short. He's talking on the dictaphone. Yeah. He then goes in and finds a letter, he then gets a phone call, and then there is a knock at the door. He is being pulled in order. Just let him sleep. It's a nightmare because it isn't his warm milk. It's not his warm milk. What it is, though, is a warm bullet bullet or two or three, I think.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

To his chest. He gets shot right in the chest. Uh we don't know who it is. We only see the gun. Yeah. And then credits. Which annoyed you. It was like fucking hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so just like, you know, everybody else who watched this when it was on.

SPEAKER_03 50:08

They love Raymond.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Yes. And they hate Chris. Yeah. Um, we're going to. You looked at me like that, like I'm insane. Have you never have you never seen Everybody Hates Chris? No, is that a spin-off? No, it's not. Okay. It's about um I think I'm gonna get this wrong. I think it's about Chris Rock's childhood. Um but also it has the rock in it.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

Okay. Is that something? What's that so raven?

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Um that's a that's a Disney sitcom, isn't it? And what's everybody loves Ravens? That's not anything.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

It's our next podcast.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Should we do an Everybody Loves Raymond podcast? Yeah, I'll get that. I'll get Morgan Freeman on board.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

It could be the three of us.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

Yeah, see you me and Morgan Freeman talking about all 12 seasons of Everybody Loves Raymond. I couldn't tell you how many seasons it has. Imagine if it's 12, people are gonna think I know that. We're gonna do what the original viewers back in the 90s did. We're now gonna wait months until we see season two.

SPEAKER_03 51:09

Yeah, we will we will get to season two because we want to do it.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

Uh well that's what that was gonna be my next question for you. Is do you want to do season two, or are you like, do you know what? I've had my fill of Twin Peaks. Yeah, I'm not enjoying it, and so we'll just call it a day at the end of season one. Is that what you'd like to do? No, okay, great.

SPEAKER_03 51:26

Okay, yeah. No, I I I would like to do it.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Uh what are your feelings on season one in general? How how did it uh live up to what you thought it was gonna be?

SPEAKER_03 51:36

Completely different to my expectations. Really? And I think we've talked about that throughout the season. Is that what I just thought expected way more um just walk, all weird imagery. Serena. I'm aware of David Lynch, but not really.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

I'm aware of show off putting my putting my film degree to shame. You were aware of David Lynch. That's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

But we discovered I'd seen Elephant Man, and is that it? That's the only movie I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Of the David Lynch films that you're likely to have seen. Uh, have you seen the original Dune? No. Okay, uh, yeah, The Elephant Man, obviously, because it's like his big Oscar Beatty commercial success kind of thing, although a weirder movie than you'd think. Right. Um, have you seen Blue Velvet? Nope. Have you seen Eraser Head? Nope. Okay. Have you seen Wild at Heart? No. That's the film that he was making whilst season one of this show was being made.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

So what I'm what I uh realize is that like I have a an image of what David Lynch is, and it's in various images I've seen on the internet. The baby from Eraser Head, that thing that comes out in Moleholland Drive.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

The man behind Winkies.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

Yeah. The uh Adam's staring into the distance, and uh, you know, and I and I've kind of seen various shots, the the man that phones up to say he's already in the house. Um and so like You're playing all the hits, man. In in my head, I You thought it was all gonna be that. It's all that. But it but it what's that it's some of that. Um but when it comes along, I think it's far more effective when that stuff happens because it really pulls you in a direction you didn't expect. So that was fun when that kind of stuff happened. It's also fun to see how though those famous scenes actually tie in to the story, right? Like when someone's it's just like, oh, there's the the little person that dances and speaks backwards in the red room.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

I think you thought there'd be way more of that than we've seen.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

I did, but also it's cool to see the famous scene make sense. It's not just here's some bullshit. Haha. Anyway, here's something else, you know.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Also, don't you think that we're sort of better served by that only being like a couple of scenes? Absolutely, it's way more effective than that.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

If it was just wall to wall that, then it just wouldn't make sense. It would it would stop meaning anything. It would stop and it would stop being creepy and weird and surreal and all that kind of stuff because it's just the norm.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

When those things happen, you now know that they are important because they're happening, rather than just, oh, it's another one of those things.

SPEAKER_03 54:10

You know. And then I also I didn't expect it to be as funny and as a very comedy in some sections that as it was. Yes. Um I didn't expect it to maybe be as kind of linear, here's a mystery murder investigation. I didn't know Twin Peaks was a murder investigation.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Oh, that's interesting. Yes, it's it's pretty much just a procedural. It's got more in common with Law and Order than you would think. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Um I'm always struck by how linear and palatable season one is. Right. And this is coming off of having seen season three now, okay, which I would consider to be something of a magnum opus for David Lynch. Right. So I would say that that is a pure unfiltered David Lynch. And there's a huge difference in the third season um to anything in the first two seasons. And and that's because the third season is entirely written and directed by David Lynch. Right. So he is there for every scene directing it, which he's not for. No, what we had two in this one? Yeah, I think so, something like that.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

And again, he oversees everything.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

You know, I don't want to say like David Lynch had nothing to do with Twin Peaks season one. He has less to do with it than I think the prevailing popular understanding or opinion of it is.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Yeah. How did you find it this time round? Because you've seen all this, and of course you've seen everything. I've seen everything. Um the grass. Well, I know for I know there was at least two episodes that you think you've never seen before. Which is not which is can't be the case. The fact you don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 56:06

No, I've obviously seen them. Um because I've seen everything. Uh the the uh how was it for me? Um yeah, good. Like great the the good next question. The bits that the that you remember from the show are the big moments, are the ceiling fan from the first couple of episodes, they are uh Bob at the foot of the bed, uh they are the red room with the little man that dances and talks backwards, uh and they are like the meeting between Ben and Audrey at One Eyed Jacks, it's all the stuff like that. This must be my fourth or fifth time watching the first season. Oh really, okay. And we're gonna go into probably it'd be my fourth or fifth time watching the first half of season two. Okay. And then the second half of season two I've seen probably once all the way through.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

That's interesting. Why is that the case? Do you drop off?

SPEAKER_02 57:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Because you get tired of it?

SPEAKER_02 57:13

Yeah, it's um season two is a really interesting uh beast, I think, and I'm actually looking really I'm looking forward to getting to it. I was only seeing The Return once. So I'm really looking forward to seeing how that does on a rewatch.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

So am I right in thinking you watched you re-watched all to then watch the return?

SPEAKER_02 57:33

No, I did not. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

Um I rewatched season one and two probably a couple of years ago. Right.

SPEAKER_02 57:46

And then David Lynch passed away, and that's what prompted me to finally watch The Return, which means I'd been putting it off for about ten years. What about Fire Walk with Me? How long Fire Walk With Me I've seen a few times. Okay, that's interesting. Um When I Can.

SPEAKER_03 58:07

Does that stand alone?

SPEAKER_02 58:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

Okay, that's interesting. That's cool.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

Uh you would definitely get more out of it than having seen Twin Peaks. You can watch it on its own. It's actually it informs the story of Twin Peaks rather than necessarily being a completely vital connection. Having said that, if you haven't seen Firewalk with me, um then you don't have the whole story of Twin Peaks. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Um I've never seen The Missing Pieces, which we'll watch. Yeah. At some point.

SPEAKER_03 58:39

Um But it's been really cool to kind of hang out and watch Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Oh, it's been cool to hang out, man. I mean, that's um why I do any of these things.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

And I'm Steve Murphy, and you're at Scott Glasspool, did we not? We didn't do it again. Yeah. Uh it's fine, we're gonna just sound identical to most people anyway.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Um we started the music podcast um as an excuse to hang out. Obviously, because of COVID, we had to then move it online, and because there's three of us, it's just like schedule-wise, we live in different bits of the country. Uh it's just, you know, it's it's it's it's two shows a week. Yeah. That should that show. Easy money. Easy money. But you know, it's it's pretty time intensive, and it's been really nice to it meant that like we've talked about this before. I see you once a week. Yeah. But I don't actually see you once a week. It's over Zoom and we're talking we're recording a podcast. It's been nice just to chill out with my bro and watch something. The chill bros. Yep, yep. Um and to engage with something like honestly, one of my favourite things to do is to sit down and watch stuff that I've already seen with people who haven't. Yeah. I uh that's it's a way for me to share things about myself without actually having to give voice to those things about myself. But this is like a relatively important part of my personality that you're now learning about after 25 years of friendship.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

Yeah, I see Bob all all over you now.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:17

Exactly. Which I which I think is an interesting thing. I think people should share media with each other a little bit more often uh than they do. Um what was the oh you asked me if I enjoyed it. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah. Uh I I just I really like the vibe of it. I think that um David Lynch is probably probably my favourite filmmaker. I think that his creativity and approach to art uh has taught me a lot about those things for myself. Um and I think I think it would be really interesting to get sort of stuck into that. And I think look so we have this gap between seasons coming up. Yeah. Because we're gonna finish here and then it's gonna be a few months before you hear from us again. Because we will do it'll be a few months and we'll do um we'll do season two of Twin Peaks. I was wondering if in between that because you seem to be you said you haven't really seen anything else by uh David Lynch other than the Elephant Man, which is not really representative of his his usual sort of thing. I was wondering if you wanted to get in touch with that. You seem like you're interested in David Lynch in general now. So there's two things we can do. I can we can just we could do a couple of episodes and I'll just show you some we'll do the bangers, you know. We'll do Lost Highway and we'll do Maholland Drive. Or um what I think might be more interesting, do you want to just because we're having the month's break like you would in the 90s, do you want to just pretend we're in the 90s? I'd love it. We'll only watch David Lynch stuff. We'll only watch David Lynch stuff that would have been available at this point. Okay. And we'll kind of do it. Well, we won't watch everything. I think we'll I think you know, if if if you're like you imagine you're in the 90s. I know you do that a lot already, but like imagine it like now, yeah. We've just finished the season finale of Twin Peaks, you're like, fuck, I want to go find out more about this director. I'm gonna go down to the video store, I'm gonna find out more about it, and we'll what we won't watch everything. We'll should we should do blue velvet. Okay, we'll I think I think between now and season two we'll watch Blue Velvet, and I think we should watch Wild at Heart. Okay, because that was being filmed at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

If that makes sense, and then we'll watch those two, and they'll be we won't we don't know when these episodes will come out, they'll sporadically come out over the next few months. Follow us on the socials at Twin Peaks at Welcome to Twin Peaks UK, yeah. Um, and we'll let you know when the episodes are coming out. Um we'll give you like a week's notice so you also have time to watch the films. We'll watch those two, they'll come out at some point, and we'll make a decision then if we wanna watch some others as well, because there's also yeah, there is the Elephant Man, there is a razor head, there is his version of Dune if you wanted it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:13

Also, just tell us what you were doing as well. I mean, like we're gonna get into season two extent. Don't spoil it for Steve. Come on, let's play the game. We will get into season two of Twin Peaks, that's happening. It's what um in the meantime we kind of um do here and there, and then we'll get to season two when we get to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

Um I think I think Blue Velvet is a really interesting thing to watch, having seen Twin Peaks. Okay, you'll see a lot of the same themes. Cool. It stars Carl McLachlan. Like you'll you'll you'll you'll see some stuff you're familiar with, I think, but also some stuff that is maybe trending more towards your understanding of David Lynch and what you thought Twin Peaks might have been.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

In between season two and the return, I do think obviously we'll watch Firewalk with me, but I do think before we get to the return, it's important for you to have seen Malholland Drive and probably Inland Empire and probably Lost Highway. Okay. But they're they're not out until after Series 2 is finished. Okay. So we'll put a pin in those. But I think the return is his last piece of work. Right. He made it and then he didn't make anything uh other than a couple of short things which we might watch. Uh he didn't make anything until until he died. Yeah. Um so the return kind of stands as his last Yeah, that gives him some more weight, doesn't it? Especially because he's returning to something that he'd that he'd made before. Yeah, it's really interesting. Cool. Um I'm really glad you've enjoyed it. It's been great. I think there's some incredible themes and stuff going on there, not just like the CD underbelly of the small town, but like The Evil in the Woods, you mean? Yeah. The evil in the woods and whether or not people are more in tune to those things. I know there's some Eastern philosophy stuff in there. Um there's stuff about dream logic, there's stuff about holistic investigating. There's obviously a lot of you know, it touches on some very serious subjects like domestic abuse and uh well all kinds of abuse actually are present in the show. Um but we'll get into that more in the next season as more things unravel. We'll get into that a lot in the movie and his movies in general. You'll start to see a theme where um I don't actually think there's certainly not a better male director of um women in trouble. I'd say he really gets it, and I don't really understand what that is, and I can't really put it into words. Well we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it as we as we continue on. What I do have to ask you for the final time for this season is a question that lots of people were asking back in the nineties to the point where there's this amazing picture that goes around. Is it who shot Agent Cooper? No. It's who killed Laura Obama. Who shot um Mr. Burns? But the b people were taking betting odds uh on it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

Um who do you think is at the top? Who do you think's at the bottom?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

The bot uh is in Who do you think people did with the bottom two? People are like, there's no way Agent Cooper. Yeah, Agent Cooper's down there 1%. Yeah, Josie Packard is like 1%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 3% reckon suicide, I think that's interesting. Yeah, that isn't, yeah. Uh 6% reckon still alive.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

Yeah. Yeah. But the top, can can you guess what the top three or four are? You'll have Leo. Is it the one? Second, yes. You'll have Hank. No, not even not even on the list.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

Really?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:59

Yeah. I suppose probably Steve. And I don't want to make you look like an idiot. I've got the wrong name. No. He was in prison at the time of the murder.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Oh yeah? Hey, but he he could have orchestrated.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:16

Uh Bob. No, not on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

Oh. Killer Bob. Killer Bob's not on there. Okay. Yeah. Uh and then there's A Bob. There's Bobby Briggs.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

Yeah, okay. Bobby. Uh and then James. And then Jacques Renault. James is in there just below. Jacques Renault.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

Okay, yeah, of course. I mean, like, yeah, we've just taken his word for it, haven't we? At this point. There's Leo Johnson, obviously at second. Top?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:44

Yeah. Dr. Jacoby. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

Yeah. Because we've kind of been made to be aware that he's been off the hook, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:52

Benjamin Horne's in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

He's in the mix. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:55

Which, you know, you never know. Although, you know, I for me personally, I know we don't ask me the question because I know who killed Laura Palmer. But for me, looking at looking at season one as this full arc now and re-watching it for the fourth or fifth time or whatever, I'm increasingly if I try and take myself out of somebody who knows where it's going, I'm increasingly interested by the notion that Bobby puts forward in uh at Laura's funeral, which is that everyone killed Laura Palmer. Well, yeah, of course. Uh there was a series So you're saying Hank did?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:30

Because everyone did. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

Like the the there's a series of systemic uh events or whatever that led to the death of Laura Palmer, and nobody recorded it in time, nobody was able to get her out of trouble, numerous people encouraged her behaviour. A lot of people were respecting, but also a lot of people took advantage of her, and I think that's the crux of it. And it's not about enabling behaviour or encouraging behaviour, it's about taking advantage of uh a young girl, you know, and that is the crux of Twin Peaks, and we can we had a good time watching it. There are lots of funny moments, but at its heart it is a really dark, very, very sad story, really, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:20

Yeah, which is really mirrored with the backdrop of the rainy quiet yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

But if you you know not doing my cop out of an answer, which is like, I think everybody had a hand in the death of Laura Palmer. Who do you think killed Laura Palmer?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:39

Uh it's too obvious to say Leo, but I think that I mean that is just what That's where all the evidence points, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:47

The red corvette, he was in the room.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

Yeah, he was I mean Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

Yeah. Cool. So you you're coming out of season one, pretty sure that Leo killed Laura Palmer. Or the bird, yeah. Or the bird, yeah. That's fair enough. That's fair enough. We'll never know. Well we'll see in season two. We don't know when we'll be back, but we will be back, and we'll be back intermittently between those things, it sounds like. Um, so thank you very much for joining us.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

Thank you to you, Adam.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:13

Oh, right, okay, yes. Well, thank you to you as well. Because oh, I mean, no to Steve, yeah. Nobody um nobody really knows this, but you've been you've basically we've done this at my house. Yeah. I live in Brighton. Yeah. You live in Southampton. Yeah. So you've just been driving back and forth. You're about to drive home. Yeah. It's like two hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's got big cat food up. It's half ten. Half ten's not too bad. That's not bad, actually. If we wrap it up now, that's not too bad. So let's talk for a long time uh about wrap it up for half an hour. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yes. So come and join us on the socials so that you know when we drop those little episodes and when we're back with season two. We are at Twin Peak No, we're at we're at Welcome to Twin Peaks UK. Um come and join us there to keep up to date. Come and say hi, please don't spoil anything. Please, that would be rubbish if Steve saw a bunch of spoilers. Um until then, have a nice life. Life. Yeah, I guess. Unless there's anything you particularly wanted to say to wrap us up.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:17

Of course. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to have a nice life. Your life will self-destruct in five seconds.