Cooper's Dreams

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This week, they discuss the sixth episode of season one - Cooper's Dreams. They talk about cliffhangers, clues, and avoid making any hip-hop jokes.

They continue to attempt to unravel the mystery, decipher the clues, and review the episode, which Adam has seen many times before and Steve has never seen in his life!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:22

Actual big cliff They make it very clear at the beginning of the episode, obviously, that she is 18. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Yeah. How old are you? Eighteen. Eighteen. And then we can all go. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

Okay. Okay. But still. Yeah. Come on, buddy. Yeah. But also, I don't, you know, nothing. We don't know that anything happens. Two big cliffhangers. A few big cliffhangers at the end. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

As you would expect from a serialized television show. Yes, very true. Uh yeah. Tune in next week. What? No, that's not the end. Sorry, that's not the end of the episode. Okay, I thought we were I thought we'd wrap that up. That's what they would be doing at the time. Right, I see.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

I see. I'm with you. The um the the the the the the the the the the da uh you did remind me when you said uh oh uh join us next time this week that there's always at least one thing that we forget to mention on an episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Oh, what do we forget in the last one?

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Last week we didn't mention that the bit of plastic they found in Laura's mouth was from the poker chip J from a poker chip inside. Yeah, from from one-eyed jazz. Of course. And that's what we didn't mention. Of course, they find the rest of that poker chip in the channel.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

With the perfectly cut out piece, yes, absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

And then they hold it up to the camera, which is how you know it's important. Yes, and then you you know what it is because someone goes What do they say? One-eyed jazz. Yes, yeah, blood. Incredible, incredi the ADR in this show is amazing. Yeah. Um this week's episode, man. I I thought very cool. Um much vibier than last week's episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

It was much vibier. We spent a lot of time in the woods. Spent a lot of time in the woods, which I remember pointed me back to when uh they they all talked about there's something evil in the woods here. Yes. That conversation, and I was like, oh yeah, forgot.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Yeah, you forget about the woods and the owls, and we had a lot we spent a lot of time uh focusing on ravens. Yeah. There's that shot of like the in the the eye of a raven and it like zooms out from it. It was excellent. I loved all that stuff this week. Yeah, it was. I also felt that uh there was a lot of uh emotional stuff in this episode. Yeah. And I thought that was really well balanced and it was I th I thought this was really well directed actually. And it was really well directed by Leslie Linker Glatter. Yeah. Yeah. Uh this one was written by Mark Frost, though. Okay. Which might be why it's a little bit more in touch with the sort of spirit of Twin Peaks that you would typically aim at Twin Peaks, because it's written by one of the creators. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

One one of the like the things that I expected more of it was more of the non sequitur kind of vibey, strange dialogue stuff that you think everybody was gonna talk like the log lady. Yeah, and backwards.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah, we haven't we've seen a bit of that, haven't we?

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Um I felt like a lot of big things happened in this. For sure, for sure. There's um the the the director, uh Leslie Linkaglato, uh, has noted that the episode exemplifies the themes of longing and desire, which she feels characterizes the series.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Um and she also she also called to attention it's careful balance between tragic and comic elements. Which I think I mean that's Twin Peaks. Like l like I said about last week's episode where it's just like starting to kind of hit its stride. I think I was talking uh about the the balance of the tragic and the comic. Yes. I mean that the the scene towards the end of the episode where Leland goes to the party is one of the saddest, funniest scenes in this week's episode.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Yeah, because he turns up looking like a real state, and you just know he's gonna have another breakdown, and then the music comes on, you're like, oh no, yeah, and he starts to dance. He does start to dance, but then everybody joins in.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Yeah, and does the dance he's doing. The dance of despairing about his dead daughter. There's so much grief and anguish in this episode, and yeah, and like the director said, like longing, like there's there's the like Audrey starts crying in that scene. Yeah, you've got um the scene between Donna and James where he reveals you know, like who his parents, like especially who his mum is. There's a lot of longing and uh stuff there. There's obviously the scene between Ed and Norma now that Hank is back, and there's so much longing there. Um yeah, really interesting episode, I think. Really interesting episode. Yeah, I really enjoyed this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolute banger, absolute banger. Do I have any memory of watching it before? No. Really? Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

When was the last time you saw season one?

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Uh probably this time. Nah, probably about two years ago now. Right, but then was that followed up by all the rest of Twin Peaks? It was followed up by season two, it was followed up by the movie, and then uh when David Lynch passed away uh early last year I watched, I finally watched The Return. I've only seen The Return once. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

And uh do you think that it was just so much other stuff happens in that that you just pushed it all to the back of your brain. I've watched episodes of stuff before I'm like, I don't I don't remember watching this, but I knew I would have watched it.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

We are what? We are we are We're talking about, of course, which episode? Uh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. We should clear that up. We should clear that up. Episode five. Yeah. Which is the sixth episode of the show. It's called Cooper's Dreams. Which is interesting because we don't see any Cooper's Dreams. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

But this is the seventh episode of the episode of the podcast. Uh it might be, yeah. Yeah, is it?

SPEAKER_03 6:06

I genuinely don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

I I guess I guess welcome to Welcome to Twin Peaks, the Twin Peaks podcast for beginners. Uh at this point, we'll welcome you all. Um Welcome. Oh, I'm Steve Murphy. And you're who? Adam Scott Glasswell. I guess.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Actually, yeah, that's me. Uh episode five, uh, Cooper's Dreams, uh directed by Leslie Linkaglata, written by Mark Frost. 567. Original air date, May 10th, 1990. I think should we start including detail?

SPEAKER_01 6:34

I think we need to uh do more details. What time?

SPEAKER_02 6:39

That's interesting. What time was it what time did it be? Then did it go out?

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Uh what channel would it have been on? Well you actually have it. Do you have the information? No, I don't know. Oh, that's a shame. I imagine uh 9 pm time.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Something like that. It would have been ABC, right? I think that's the that's that's where it you know. I've I say that with no confidence at all. Of course. Look, this is the this is the vibes podcast. With the vibes, guys. With the vibes, guys, and this is just we're not here to do uh deep dives on the production of the show. We're not here to try and decode anything for you. We're just a little beginner's guide to Twin Peaks. If you're watching it for the first time, we'll wrap up the episodes, we'll give you some insight into what was happening behind the scenes. Of course we will. Of course we will. We'll give you some insight into the themes and you know things that are going on in the episode in the episodes. Of course we will. Because we are the vibes guys. The guy's vies.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

That's not anything that's the opposite, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Cooper gets woken up very early. He's 28 hours.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

I reckon he's been up for a while, to be fair. I think he hasn't really slept.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Because he's annoyed at this point.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

I thought he was woken up. I thought he specifically said he was woken up.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Probably for one of many times.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

I'd like to argue about this for the next sort of 35 minutes and then rush through the rest of their things. He does say they've been singing all night, right? No, well, they can't have been singing all night because as we learn a little bit later, they get in at 3 a.m.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

So they've been going for an hour and twenty-eight.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. No, I meant I meant you're exactly right, but you but also you are exactly right because yeah, it was an hour and twenty-eight minutes.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Assuming that they started partying immediately. Concede. Yeah. Um yeah, he gets woken up by Icelandic people singing.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

The Icelandic people singing. Yeah, exactly. And I'm just gonna move this slightly closer to your mouth, is what I'm gonna do. And we're gonna point it that way, and we're just gonna move it up a little bit. We're gonna move it up like that. Yeah, that's what we're gonna do there. Was that really bad?

SPEAKER_01 8:43

No, it wasn't really bad. Um He's annoyed, he's tired, and what does he do? Let Diane know. Immediately records into his tape recorder. And I'm thinking at this point, he's leaving her a voicemail, of course, on his phone. But no, that's it's it's 1990. It's 1990. So he's recording into a tape recorder. He is complaining about the hotel, which is usually great and everyone's lovely. But there's Icelandic people singing. So, what can he get Diane to do? Send him his earplugs. There you go. So he's gonna send a tape to Diane. She is then going to mail him express the earplugs back to him. So in a few days, it's an interesting um It's an interesting point, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 9:26

I guess why don't they just communicate over the phone? But I guess I guess because they have this sort of routine where he's sending her tapes every day anyway. Yeah. Or every couple of days. Yeah. So that she can type up all the notes for the case and everything. Of course. So I assume it's just easier actually to include it on the tape as part of the routine than it is to phone her. What do you think of Diane? Any thoughts on Diane?

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Uh, I don't think she exists.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

You don't think she exists? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

I also think it is just a way for if we're gonna be really boring about it, for Cooper to talk to us directly about what he's feeling. Well, yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Yes. The fact that he can he can go, I've just woken up because of a loud noise that you can hear and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Um, it's uh she's she's an she is an audience surrogate, maybe. Which is really interesting actually, because we don't see her. Right. I think it's so he is talking directly to us, basically.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yes, and and I think she's also there. She was like introduced to show he's a bit quirky, and I think they still kind of do that.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Diana, I'm holding in my hand a box of chocolate bunnies. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Uh so that's probably what they're doing there. But yeah, he gets woken up and he's not he gets woken up, man. So what does he need? Because he's very tired. Coffee. A damn coffee. Damn coffee. He says, get me a damn coffee. He flips the table and he's so angry. It doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

He does go down for coffee. He brings his own mug. Of course. His own uh FBI branded mug, because he is the FBI. Um, and uh who should meet him at breakfast? The waitress with some coffee. No, that's well, I mean that is true. Yeah, again, you're exactly right, but but slightly too specifically right. Yeah. It's only um it's only Audrey Horn. It's only Audrey who's 18. Yes, they have that scene specifically to to say that I hey I'm 18. Just so you know. Yeah. Yeah. But she does tell him that uh it's interesting. He has absolutely no curiosity about Audrey at all uh in in this scene. It's really interesting. Um she's like, I've got a new job, and he's like, Good for you. I've got to go. Yeah, basically, shouldn't you be at school? Yeah, and then he's like, I gotta go. And then she's like, I'm 18, and he's like, Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Yeah, because he goes, How old are you anyway? 18 and then suddenly, yeah, there's like some some real tension immediately. Yeah, interesting. It's a weird scene. It is a weird scene.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

In in a in a litany of weird scenes in Twin Peaks. That's very true. But this is one that um it's one of those scenes, isn't it, that rubs up interestingly with the sensibilities that we have in 2026. Right, okay. You know, that were not necessarily the sensibilities that we had in 1990. Sure. You know? But then I still think there would have been people in 1990 who were like weird relationship, weird power dynamic for a start.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

I would say and I guess, yeah, I was gonna say maybe that is still supposed to be the point at that point. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Absolutely. And it's it's interesting how that uh how people kind of deal with that. I remember I don't know if we've talked about this in the podcast before or not. Uh I remember your uh review of the Royal Tannenbums. Yeah. Uh being like, oh, I loved it, except for the incest plot line. And I'm assuming that's because the incest plotline made you a bit uncomfortable. Yeah, and you're like, that's the point.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

Yeah, it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

That's the question that that film is asking, isn't it? Yeah. Um yes, so I I don't know how uncomfortably it it it was received at the time. It feels a little bit uncomfortable now, but also I'm someone who is very able to be like take the piece of media as it is intended at the time, and you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

And also nothing has really happened apart. He is sort of naked in his bed at the end of this episode. But we don't know that yet, because we haven't got to that point in this episode of the podcast. Well, I do know that. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Well, I what I mean is I've seen it, so I know that it happens.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Oh so have I. Of course. Yes. Yeah, but she's naked, but she's not there waiting for him. No? Well, she is. Well But she's sad. And so she got sad and got naked.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

But we'll get there. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Um I can't remember where we go on to that. Do we go immediately to the woods?

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Uh we don't go immediately to the woods. We um we go to um we go to Ben's office, I think, because Jerry is back. He's come with he's brought the Icelandic people to the hotel. Yes. They have a little in his insane outfit. Yes, with the bolo tie. He's I mean, it's not the worst use of a tie in this episode, I will say. It's not the best use. Okay, you like the turtleneck and tie combination. Yeah, yeah. I can't take my eyes a bit. See you there in a bit. Uh uh, they have a discussion about obviously Jerry's met his new love, he's got a leg of lamb. Yes. Um, but then Leland comes back. He does. Leland comes in and is like, I just need something to take my mind off of the incredible grief that I'm going through. What a sad character. Yeah. Every time uh Leland turns up in this show, you go, Oh you go, oh no. What what what what are your feelings there? What when he turns up? Every time he turns up, you make a little noise. Yeah, I don't know if you know you're doing it. Am I not?

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Yeah, it is it's literally just like, oh god, it's it's it's like this, but not this, but it's like, oh for God's sake, it's gonna bum me out. Right, yeah. He sucks the air out of the room. Yeah, exactly, which is what they're trying to do. Yeah, yeah. And it's not me like grief. Because he's gonna get over it, sister. I'm not saying that. He's such a tragic figure. He really is, and they're really like pushing just him looking like he's cut himself shaving later. You see that there's like a bit of paper on him and all that kind of stuff, and he just looks just he's ready to just pop. Um yeah, it's uh it's rough actually, because he and then he always like needs to just like sit on the floor. Um well, can you you know, can you imagine losing your only daughter?

SPEAKER_02 15:26

No, it would just be insane. Yeah, um you have a you have a young son, and I'm sure it's not even something you want to think about or discuss. I don't have any children, so I'm sort of not bothered. I don't really care when people die.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

What if your uh CM Punk um figurine over there?

SPEAKER_02 15:44

You shut your fucking mouth right now. I don't I don't even want to contemplate. What if someone took you away? I don't even want to contemplate wherever it is you're going with this, okay?

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Okay. Is it more the fact I called it a figurine? Was that wrong? No, I think that's fine. Okay, I prefer action figure. That's fine. Does it get much action?

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Not really. He's sort of which one? Which one?

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Top left. He's top left.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

Well, top left, uh I I've sort of arranged them in order of how much they cost me.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Okay, so the one the top is the most expensive one.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Do you want no that's not true? The one second down is the most expensive one. That's the most recent individual. What's your third one? You have three. I can see Kevin Owens. Oh, I've got one on the different shelf there.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Uh oh, is it is the fan in the way?

SPEAKER_02 16:24

No. Oh, maybe. There's one down there.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Do you think we shouldn't podcast in the same room anymore? Because we're just describing what's in the room. Yeah. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe you're right. I can see the other one now. He's a bit far down. He's wearing pink pants.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

No, they're they're red. Oh, they might be pink. I think they might be pink. That's from the Royal Rumble 2013. Okay. Just so you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Do you like the movie The Pink Panzer?

SPEAKER_02 16:46

And again, it was good to get some room tone, I think. That makes editing easier. That's good, yes. They tell him he needs to go home and just get some rest. Uh yeah. Try and get over you. He does cry. He does come across a bit like that later. He said, just get him out of my life. Yeah, yeah. Um and then the next scene is obviously Cooper Harry Truman, who's the sheriff with the hat, best mates. Yeah. Uh, and uh Doctor Hayward. Yeah. You know, the doctor that is following around for a lot of the episode, and Donna's father. Yeah. Right? Yes. Yeah? Yes. Good. Um they're at Jacques Renault's flat. Of course. And we get just sort of like an insane amount of like connections drawn there. Yeah, I think. I mean with the magazine and all the photos and stuff. The magazine that Cooper pulls out of his arse? I don't it's it's in the ceiling somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

I'm gonna I think maybe well the fact that he gets a leg up. I mean, that whole scene originally where they just keep looking up for ages is really good and really funny. Because I thought genuinely that might just be an ad lib. And I thought we weren't there. And then they're all kind of like, okay, then we're gonna move on. But yeah, he does get a leg up. He holds onto something. I think it's on top of the lamp on the ceiling or the chandelier or whatever's there. Chandelier. Oh so sorry. Sorry. Bless you. Um and he pulls down, yeah. Well, essentially out is that.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Why would you the the the implication is that it's hiding porn, I guess. Yeah, exactly. But Jean Cronault, by all accounts, is a single guy. Why is he hiding his porn? Yeah. I guess. Well, I suppose because in it, don't they find all the stuff about taking ads out and that's where the ad for Renette Pelaski was originally? Uh there's a picture of Leo's truck. Leo's truck. And they they really help us out by cutting directly then to Leo's truck. Just say that this one, this truck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This one that he owns. They find out that the blood on the shirt is not Laura's. Yep, because it's A B negative.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Exactly. Which is the same as Jocques Renault.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

I assume the assumption is there that it's Jacques Renault's blood. Yeah. I w I have no reason to think that it's not. Yeah. But it seems very lasse fair to go, oh well, if they had the same blood type, then it must be his blood. Do you know what I mean? I'm I'm wondering if that comes back to it.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Where is Jacques at this point, remind me? He's he's he's just missing, right? I think yeah, I think so. We saw him in the episode a couple of weeks ago. In the book, the book has boys, yeah. No, that's Bernard. That's Bernard. Yeah. Joc and it's the larger guy. Who was outside the uh the the the pub bar.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Bang bang, yes, something. Is it not called the Bang Bang Club? I think you might be right. I might be right. Roadhouse place, basically. This this podcast is hosted by two people who might be right.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

70% of the time.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

They might be right. What else did the time they're just wrong?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Just wrong.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

They might be wrong. Which is good odds. Um they also find um the a log cabin believed to be to to belong to Jacques Renault. Why else would he be buying so much uh heating uh fuel? Uh and that there is red drapes there.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

The same as is in his dream.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

That's really interesting. Yes, he initially uses it to identify the ad as being uh uh a picture of Laura Palmer because it's got the same drapes. Yes. However, you are right. Um and the episode is called Cooper's Dreams. Yeah. We don't get any actual dreams, but we get a lot of stuff that has been in his dreams sort of coming to fruition here. And I think, yes, the red drapes, the red room is a big part of that. Yes. Uh absolutely. Um red curtains are a big uh big signifier in in Twin Peaks. And I'd say I'd say red curtains crop up across uh David Lynch's uh career. I think so. I think so. I'm trying to remember no, I might be thinking of a red lamp in Moholland Drive. That's one of the clues that was in the DVD case. Oh. The DVD case for Maholland Drive was a series of clues to unravel the movie. Amazing. The first clue is like pay attention, there are loads of clues before the credits even roll. I think he was winding us up. Really? Yeah. Me and Quinn thought, like, this is very pretentious, but uh, we're kind of into it, and then I think he's just making a joke. I think it's bollocks. Yeah. Seems like a fun guy. He is a fun guy. He is a fun guy. Um so they have all that uh stuff in the apartment. So obviously, their um their mission, should they choose to accept it, is now to um oh that'd be a good sign-off for this show. Wouldn't that be good? Wouldn't that wouldn't be good? That would be crazy. Your next mission is to watch the next episode, yeah. Should we use the we'll be used to we should probably should probably use that, shouldn't we? Yeah. So their mission now is to find the Locke Cabin. Yeah, basically, is what it is. But in and amongst that, um you obviously have The scene where Bobby and Shelly are role-playing what would happen if Leo caught them having a bit of hanky panky. A little bit of uh Sex. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

That's right, that's right. That's what I was thinking of.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

That's right, yes. Yeah. Where he's showing off, isn't he, with the gun? He's showing off, man, and he's like talking to Leo who's not there and is pointing the gun occasionally at him, occasionally very haphazardly at Shelly. Which made me very nervous. But obviously, you know, they're Americans, they know how to handle guns and stuff. Of course. Um, there's nowhere with a safer track track record of gun safety than America. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Um But yeah, he's showing off, and then there's a noise outside, and he shits his pants. He's instantly like on gun.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Yeah, very funny. Which turns out to be Andy, um the chief deputy, uh, who's asking about uh when Leo might be back, and Bobby and Shelley have this kind of scheme plan so he hides and he's watching the interaction.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

I don't know how Andy doesn't see him. He's got his face just going like that. He's basically pressed up against the window.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Um uh the the the point is that she says, like, yeah, oh I saw him that night with shop Renault or something. Yeah, they're trying everyone's trying to set everybody up for something. Um and then and then after that is when you have the uh the quite moving scene between Ed and Norma.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

I mean big cheer for Big Ed originally. Oh, huge, huge. I I I'd like um I think every episode that he appears in should have the Avengers cinema reaction to the portal audio. Yeah, yeah. That would be really good.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

They should they should cut to him, he should walk into shot, and then there's an obvious big long pause for people to cheer. You're right, and then he starts speaking. Like a Marvel movie. Yeah, that would be fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

I fucking hate that when that happens in those fucking movies. Just make a fucking movie, not uh alright, alright, fine. What big head the movie? Yes. Oh, I'd love Big Ed the movie. Big Ed the Revenge. Yeah. Um obviously, you know, he's got Nadine. Norma's now got Hank who's out of prison and working at the double R. Yeah. So they're just kind of kind of gently doomed. There's a lot of longing in that scene. I think it's shot beautifully. The shot um where you can see the two of them facing each other in a two-shot, but they're kind of obstructed by the cross of metallic machinery between us and them is is very lovely. Yeah. Um but I think the the realization that they come to is very uh very bittersweet.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

It's kind of we can't really do this, right? So he she's like my husband's my husband's out and he's like My wife is sick, and she's like, What do you mean? He's like, I don't really know. And then they're both a bit like, I guess I'll see you round.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Well that she she she asks uh she asks him like have you told Nadine? And he's like, No, not yet. Have you told Hank? She's like, No. No, are you waiting for me to do it? And then it's a little bit of yeah. Don't call me for a while. Yeah. I love you.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

I love you.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

No, sorry, it's from the show. Actually, specifically he doesn't say it. He doesn't, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Which I think is really interesting. Um I I wonder if he's deeper into his relationship with Nadine than than she is with Hank, but then I guess that would make sense because Hank's fucking in prison. Yeah. You know, uh up until very, very recently. I guess it's very easy for the for the distance to grow a bit further. Because Ed still lives with Nadine, you know, as as as crazy as she is at this point. He's also a real man. Maybe he's like I shouldn't say this. Yes, he's one of the bookhouse boys. He's potentially I want to be a bookhouse boy. I'd love to be a bookhouse boy.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Should we be the bookhouse boys?

SPEAKER_02 25:55

I think when we start our Patreon, we'll call it the bookhouse boys. I like it. Yeah. Okay. Um I j I just uh I think that Ed is yes, more of a traditionally masculine man than some of the other characters that we meet in uh Twin Peaks. Yeah. I don't know, does does does Coop seem like a bit of a metrosexual to you?

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Yeah, he's he's like he's trendy and a bit weird in the way that a big mechanic wouldn't be. Right.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Kind of more emotionally available. Yeah, yeah. But also not Harry seems quite emotionally available. Bobby's definitely puts on a front. Bobby has a very interesting scene in in this show.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

One that I thought was going to be undercut with a bit of he would drop the facade at that point. Yeah. And I thought maybe he was like playing a thing, but no, he gets uh he gets very emotional at one point.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

It happens a little bit later in in the show, but essentially Bobby is in a family counselling session with his mum and dad. And you know, it's you know you get the classic sort of like you can see what they're doing. They're trying to do the like the James Dean Marlon Brando kind of like rebel without a cause. Like the classic I mean he's got the leather jacket, he's got the haircut, the 50s classic, like teenage rebellion against the military father. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Uh and they they go back and forth on that, and it's all kind of like it's played a bit funny, that bit with the camera literally going back and forth between the parents talking about him, and then the reveal that he's there. Yes is quite funny.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Um I don't want to say it's trite, because it doesn't feel trite, but it is definitely tropey.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Yes, it's tropey. Yeah, yeah. Um but then like that all seems like it's kind of a show anyway, because then the therapist gets uh the parents to go. And this is Dr. Jacoby, who we know treated Laura. Yes, because then we get him basically kind of there's an air of obviously he knows a lot about Laura because he's he's done so he's asking questions that he knows the answer to.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

And I wonder where the fucking doctor patient confidentiality is on this end of the thing. Exactly. I mean, this must be part of his lifelong investigation that he set up at the beginning of last week.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Because he asks him immediately when you uh had sex with Laura for the first time, did you cry? Yeah. And then did she make fun of you? Yeah, yeah. And then like you're like, what?

SPEAKER_02 28:24

And he like breaks down and uh tells him that uh Laura made him sell drugs so that she could have some. Yeah. And I don't know, man. That is is that at odds with what we know about Laura at this point? Because I've I feel like she's been characterized as somebody who was like unfortunately addicted to cocaine or had an unfortunate relationship with cocaine because her boyfriend was a drug dealer kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Got caught up in the wrong crowd, right? Led down the wrong path. And now maybe. Or is this just Dr. Or is it bollocks? Yes. Because it's Bobby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Like he's not actually like a cool guy. Yeah, yeah. You know, he's a little weasely little shit, yeah. At the at this point, yeah. And and and so who who do we believe? You know, it but but but I I think we got some interesting uh there's the the Laura stuff is more of a grey area now. I think.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

It is, yes. Now we don't because well first of all, we're we're kind of led to believe she's like an angel, good shoes, man. And then and then we hear, oh, she was into drugs, and we're like, oh shit, maybe she's cool. Yeah, well, yes. Maybe she's cool, actually. Yeah, cocaine. Cool. Um then we're like, oh, that but maybe now there's another side to her that we didn't know, and it keeps going back forward, which is great because we don't we know as much as everyone else kind of does at this point.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

And well, or do we because we there No, I think we know as much as everyone else because I think the that at the beginning of the season everyone was like she is an angel, like she's she's fucking holding this community together, and everything new we find out about her is slightly darker and weirder than you think it was gonna be. Um and I think that is a big part of the show is like how do we remember people? Do we actually know people in in in the way that we think we do, you know? Um was she corrupted by the town or was the town corrupted by her? If she's forcing someone to be a drug dealer, is the whole Leo one-eyed jax Jacques Renault thing being egged on by her in a way, you know? There's an implication of of that in this episode, and I think it's very interesting to muddy those those waters. We are looking at a picture of her that that is her as a prom queen essentially, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that and we we we have a very different impression of Laura than we do in the first episode.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Hey, isn't it nice to have three-dimensional characters?

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Oh, it's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

And also a character we haven't met. Yeah. Yeah. We see a video footage of her early on. And that's it. And that's it. Yeah. Otherwise, it's oh, and we see her corpse.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

We do see her corpse. Um D do you do you feel as though Maddy is a bit of a Laura surrogate?

SPEAKER_01 31:17

I uh how do you mean? Like because obviously the same actress, she looks like her and she's a bit per. But also she seems to be at the moment an opposite of her. How so? Because she's very much see she's sort of seen as I think she's a little bit more like oh what's the right word? Alternative than like Laura. Because she's got black hair. Yeah, blonde, and then she's like but yeah, but then they're all like she's quite she seems quite sweet, and when we know Laura is actually not like that, she seems a bit more this is interesting because we haven't met Laura.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

So what am I yeah, but this is Well, I'm wondering if Madeline if Maddy reflects what the community and we thought Laura was like. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, and it's interesting to see that to see her move, to see her be animated, to see Laura for all intents and purposes, yeah, in flesh and blood, behaving as we know Laura to behave. Yes. But we're finding out all of this information about the real Laura that is at odds with both the Laura we knew and the Laura surrogate that we can see.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Yeah. Because what do we know about Maddy really, apart from she wants to help out the investigation?

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

There's actually not a lot we know about his character. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

She wants to get out of the house because I can't imagine that. I mean, she only knows Leland and Sarah, and I can't imagine that's a fun household. It's not it's not the fun house. No, that's Pat Sharp's house. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Whole lot of fun. Prizes to be won. But the thing is about that is you've got to use your brain if you want to play the game. Yeah, yeah. You know? That is the thing about it. Go-karts and twins. We've always said that. We've always said that about that. Go-kart, go-karts and twins. Are you talking about the shining? Yeah. Okay, great. Um Yes, Bobby breaks down into tears in that therapy session. Have we skipped ahead though? Like always. Found that very fascinating. Oh, we skipped so far ahead. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, buddy. We skipped so far ahead. Uh we have not even talked about uh the fact that Audrey goes for a job interview at her father's department store. Of course. Um she's doing her own investigation as well. Everybody's investigating, man. Everybody's got a little scheme going, which I think is really fun. I think there should be more scheme. I think there should be more schemes. Should be doing schemes.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

We should do an investigation on one of our friends.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Epstein Files, man. I think we should get in there. Yeah. I think I think we're the ones who don't think about it.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Exactly, exactly. There's a gap in the market.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

Yeah. Yeah. Um that scene is fucking mental. Uh, because you said um, like, oh, that's real femme fatale music then at this point. And she behaves exactly like a femme fatale.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

She literally does it. It the only difference is that it wasn't shot more dramatically and in black and white. Right, yeah. Because she literally like grabs him by the tie to threaten him.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

So she and makes him call her Miss Horn.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Yeah. So she he's gonna put her on wrapping. Um That's not what she wants, right? No, she doesn't want that. She wants You were gonna do a rap. I was gonna do it. I saw your face. I saw your face, and I was like, I need to get in there quickly. You need to get in there quickly. But she knows she wants to obviously be on perfume because that is where the the sex workers are being recruited from. The action is, as it were. Yeah, that's where her investigation will uh and obviously his mood completely changed that. No, no, we can't we can't put you on that, and then that's when she threatens him. Yeah, do you think he knows? That's what the kind of implication was.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Really? I felt like he was just didn't want to disobey Ben Horn, his boss, you know, the guy who owns the thing, who gave him like a very clear set of instructions. Because her her thing is not like go back to my father and say you put me on perfume because that's where I'm most needed. Her plan is like, you're gonna tell my dad that I'm on rapping, but I'm you know hip hop. Okay, yeah, yeah. You found a way around it. Good for you. Thank you. Um good for you. Yeah, I guess congratulations. I guess, yeah. Uh yeah, so she's you know, she's asking him to lie. I think that's what he was kind of like nervous about, you know. I guess so. Yeah. Um we were talking about Maddy, uh, and obviously she meets with uh James and Donna.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

Very frustrating scene for me.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Oh, I know what you're gonna talk about.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

I won't talk about it because it's just it's what happens in TV and movies.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

No, but you can you can talk about it. You can talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

She asked for a cherry coke, they order the coke, they walk away without paying.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Okay, great. And that annoys you. Yeah. She didn't take one sip. Nope. The straw is like still in it's right.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

It's crazy. It's crazy. I thought, oh, maybe they'll cut away and half it's gone down and it's just continuity thing. She had so no. So small town, though, you've got to assume that like the tab is is running. Yeah, that's fair. And also pence, I imagine. Cents at that point. Yeah. Probably. For a cherry coat.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Oh yeah. Should we look it up?

SPEAKER_01 36:08

1990. But we're talking small town America as well. How much? How much was a cherry coke?

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Was a cherry coat. In the year of our lord. In 1990. Yeah, the 1900s. Um in the UK, uh, so it would have been around 50 cents. Lovely. So yeah, yeah, there you go. What's that inflation then? So to what uh so 50 cents. Hang on. 50 cents, don't make another hip-hop joke. 50 50 cents in no, that's on. In 1990 now.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Do you think she had ice cubes in it? Almost certainly. Yeah. Um again, really trying not to do any hip-hop jokes.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

I don't I don't I didn't I didn't get that one. I didn't get that one. Do you know what? $1.24, and I guarantee if you went into a diner right now and tried to order a cherry coke, it's not costing you $1.24. That's $3.24. And this is one of our classic investigations as the bookhouse bookhouse boys. Yeah. So now we need a now we've done the investigation, we need a scheme to lower the price of cherry coke. Well, okay, let's get into it. Watch that.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

This will be the next episode on this. The next episode, and I'm not going to do a hip-hop joke. There's none on this episode.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

No hip-hop jokes on this episode, man. If you want hip hop jokes, you're in the wrong place. It's on the next episode. Okay, but all right, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Now listen, yes, so they ask her for help, right? They ask Maddie for Yes, they discuss her death.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

They say that um they believe that Laura hid a secret diary at her home. Yeah. Uh, and they want Maddy to look for it. Yes, in a secret place. In a secret place. Because she's staying with Leland and Sarah. Um and they leave. They leave just as um Shelley and Norma come back from their beauty day, and they look insane.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Beehive hairdo's.

SPEAKER_02 38:06

I didn't know that that was like a real hairdo.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Now I I wonder, because they talked about how they were gonna go out and they were gonna, you know, have a pamper day. Yeah. And I think to really hammer home that they had um something different to happen to them.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

They can't just do their nails.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

And they're already wearing makeup because it's in a TV show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they had to come in with bright red lipstick and beehive hair to get it.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

It's such like we were so annoyed about it, you were just like, oh no, no, they no.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

It's such a 1950s idea of chic, you know, it just doesn't fit 1950s. But it's every vibe of 50s in there. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what I noticed um a little bit later in in the party scene where there's a bunch of Icelandic people and a bunch of people from Twin Peaks is that all the people from Twin Peaks look like they're from the 50s. Yes. And all the Icelandic people have got like angular 90s haircuts and they all look really cool and really 90s. I thought that was a really fun detail.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Like uh sweaters with like random patterns or something.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

Yeah, there's women wearing suit jackets and stuff. It's crazy. It's crazy. Uh obviously the big reveal uh it's not they don't reveal anything. But sat just behind James and Donna and Maddie listening to this conversation was Hank. And I don't know how we obviously have no real idea about how Hank may or may not be tied up in the Laura Palmer stuff. Obviously, he's tied up in the drug stuff and the Leo stuff uh and the sawmill stuff potentially, but uh we don't really know how he's dressed up uh mixed up in the uh in the Laura stuff, except for obviously similar to the letter last week, as soon as we find out he's sitting behind them, the music goes Yeah, yeah, yeah. As if he shouldn't have heard all that because he's been listening to all that, exactly, and that's significant, that is significant, and we're told it's significant, we're not told why it's significant. We're also not being told why the dominoes are significant yet, so keep that in mind. You didn't suck it this episode, did he? He didn't, that's a shame. That's a shame.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

That is a shame. That is a shame. We love it. He's working at the double R now. Awkward. Um washing dishes. Again, though, he comes across like quite sweet again in that. And he's talking to his wife. He comes across less sweet later on in the episode. Uh yeah. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Uh we then get the very vibey sequence in the woods. Oh, I loved all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Which is all, you know, ravens flying through the air and vistas of the mountains and the second instance of a shot that it was in the apartment as well, where Cooper comes in from the right and then Harry comes in, and then it's beautiful. Who's the other guy? Deputy Hawk. Deputy Hawk comes in. Yeah, and then later we Yeah, we have the fourth one coming. It's such a wonderful just boop, boop, boop, it looks really nice on screen. It's a beautiful shot. It's a lovely gifum that of antenna, if you uh oh have a look. Yeah, what a great evening I'm gonna have. Careful of spoilers. That's a really good point. Um they are looking for the cabin.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

But they first they're called first of all, they come across a different cabin.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

They find a cabin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

Not the cabin. Who lives in that cabin? Well, first of all, was that were they planning to go to that one?

SPEAKER_02 41:18

No, I think they're just looking for a cabin.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

And they just come across a log cabin housing a log lady.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

A log lady. Yes, now she's an oddball.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Yeah, so this is a lot of the stuff that I expected because she talks in kind of riddles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love that the locals just are like, yep.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

You just gotta let this play out, my guy. Like you can't you are not. It's the one time that Cooper's not in control of the conversation. Yeah. And they're like, you've gotta just let her do her thing. She slaps his hand when he tries to take a cookie, yeah. Like a little child. Yeah, it's the first time we've seen Cooper actually probably slightly out of his element. Yeah. Um very happy to play along. Very happy to play along. And he's good with it, yeah. He has to ask the log for stuff that uh stuff that the log saw, obviously. The um that scene has a a sadness to it. It does. When they're talking about the spirits that that can live in wood and the fire being the devil hiding in smoke, and then I think you basically find you don't they don't put so many words on it, but I think you essentially find out that her husband died in a fire the day after the wedding. Yeah. Um there's a lot of longing uh in that uh as well.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

But what does the log tell us? Essentially there was a two two men and two women uh at night.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Yes. And the and the owls were silent. Yes. Uh they suppose that the two girls are Laura and Renette. Yep. And that the two men one of them was Jacques Renault, and the other one was probably Leo.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

And is the assumption that the log lady saw this and she's kind of using the log of like I think the log saw it. Well Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But do you think there's nothing?

SPEAKER_02 43:11

You're gonna have to get on board with that.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

If you're gonna if you want to enjoy I really want to be on board with that. If you want to enjoy Twin Peaks, you're gonna have to do that.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

I guess the cynical thing is the log saw it. I'm hey, I'm really happy if that's the case. Don't get me wrong. But like, I wonder if there's also a bit of like because she's uh a little bit broken after what happened to her immediate husband, that maybe she believes that his spirit is living in the log.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

My assumption has always been that she saw this, yes. Yes, yes, but the log did. But but yes, she communicates through through the log. Yeah. Who's that lady holding the log? We call her the log lady perfect TV. Lovely. Um then they then they do actually find the log cabin that was. And they find a bunch of stuff in there, they find bloodstains. They find the twine they find Waldo, the minor bird. Yes. They find the poker chip that has the bit missing that is in Laura Palmer's stomach. And they find that a record player is still playing on repeat. Where music is always in the air. That gave me chills. Did it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Because you remember it from the from the dream. And what was quite nice up until that point, the the that music was played sort of diegetically as they approached the thing. And it was like the first instance of new music. Yes. So it actually gave a really different vibe to the whole TV show. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Yes. But it gave it a really cool vibe at that point.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Yeah, I really liked all of that sequence. That was really good. But yes, then to be like blood, poker chip, twine, music, like just everything on top of each other at that point was interesting for it to all come together.

SPEAKER_02 44:54

It's basically pretty obvious at this point that that that's where Laura I mean, at least was before or after her death and was Yeah. Maybe she was killed there or everything's pointing to Leo though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Was it a train carriage or something they found a bit with the firewall cloud? Of course that's where the murder happened. Yeah, sure. So she was held or something. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

Yeah, yeah. We're getting closer. They're piecing it together. Yeah, piecing it together. Um and then the the big kind of scene that takes us pretty much almost up to the end is the party for the new investors at the Great Northern. Yeah. Uh which is full of great stuff. Uh you you find um you find Catherine confronting Ben about the poker chip that she found.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

So it was important that she found it. Indeed. And you can tell that because we saw it on the screen. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Uh and so they they have a conversation in his office which is spied on by Audrey. Audrey, yeah. Uh she slaps him three times, good number of times.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

It was Are you quite finished? Gives him another one. Oh, perfect timing. Now, Audrey, this is this is what I found interesting about this. She finds that funny. She's laughing. Yeah, well, she hates her dad. Yeah, sure, of course. Yeah. But then she comes out of the secret wall, and then we get the scene with uh the dad who breaks down does the dance, the dance thing. Yeah. And then she cuts back to her and she's crying. And she's crying.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

That is sad.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

It is sad.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

Yeah. I think she's crying because she saw that.

SPEAKER_01 46:27

Yeah. Because it but that but again, undercutting and overcutting or whatever you want to call it with tragic. Bit funny because everyone's doing the dance of what he's doing, but we know it's tragic. But then to cut to Audrey crying about it, it's just like you're it's just wild. Like it's all over the place in a good way.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Well, I was gonna I was gonna ask you about that actually. Does does it does that carry for you?

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Yes, because it undercuts the humour, it uh it makes the humour quite scary.

SPEAKER_02 46:55

It's interesting actually, a lot of a lot of TV shows, movies, a lot of directors, a lot of writers will use humour to undercut things that are uncomfortable or things that are scary. Yeah, but this This uses things that are scary to undercut humour.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

Yeah, but also the humour is making it a bit creepier. Right. The way he's sometimes or whoever it was.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Leland basically turns up uh is watching a little bit of a speech. Yeah. Some music comes on and you know he's gotta dance. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_01 47:28

And again when he turns up, I'm like, oh. Yeah, yeah, you but yeah, we're just like, oh no. Okay. Oh god. Ruin the party.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Yeah, I mean is is he the saddest character in Twin Peaks so far? Yeah. It's interesting that they they focus at this point on the the father's grief over the mother's grief.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Yeah, is it because her grief seems to be I'm having visions. Right. And he just seems to be completely broken. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Absolutely. Absolutely. Um and then we have a few, you know three three cliffhangers in a row. Of course. Yes. Then leaves the party to find uh Josie Packard.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Yeah, who's what's going on there? First of all, she's while the party's on, she's sat upstairs in the dark smoking, and Adam says, That's me at parties. I'm not wrong. Yeah. Let me tell you.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Yeah, so he comes in and then uh there's a bit of a reveal that has been It It turns out that he told Josie where she could find the fake books that Catherine's been doing. So he's gonna double cross Catherine, even though he's still planning to burn the sawmill to the ground, which they've reiterated for us a number of times.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

It only happens when they get horny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wonder if that's their thing, like when they start to get oh, but you're gonna burn the fucking shit out of that log mill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so yeah, I don't know what's going on there. It was also in was it not implied that they were also maybe having an affair?

SPEAKER_02 49:02

I don't think so. Okay, it was more that the theory. He's a creep and he kissed her hand, I think is what is implied. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

And the the the thing that they've been up to no good is just the double crossing and triple crossing.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

I think so. I think that's what's I think those are the stakes there. Yeah. Um so we have that. We had that, and then we have Leo coming home being confronted by Hank. Yes. Because Hank feels that he hasn't been babysitting his drug ring effectively enough and has been, you know, uh branching out on his own a little bit too much, so he beats him up.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Which was quite interesting to get the power dynamic change for Leo, who has seen as seen as top dog all his time. And then suddenly he's he's got someone above him automatically showing that Hank's now actually the big bad. Exactly. Yeah. Uh but yes, so obviously he comes in and takes it out on who?

SPEAKER_02 49:51

Shelly.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Shelly, yeah. Who shoots her gun and at well at pointed in the direction of Leo, and off camera you hear him scream, yeah, and then we see a light swinging. Yeah. Now I've seen enough TV in movies to know that that doesn't mean he's dead. He's not dead. Yeah. But somet you know, something happened. Something either way, bit I mean, absolute Chekhov's gun, right? We we introduced the gun for a couple of episodes now. Yeah, it was gonna go off eventually. Absolutely. Um and it went off in into Leo, I assume. We assume. We assume.

SPEAKER_02 50:25

Yeah, we don't know. We'll find out in the next episode. Yeah. And then obviously, Cooper is going to bed after the end of a very long, hard day. Yeah. Only his door's open.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

Well, first of all, hears the singing again, which is very funny because his reaction, but then he pulls out the gun, and my thought was He's gonna shoot the ice band. My initial thought was, oh my god, he's so angry. No, but his doors open to his hotel room. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

So he has to sneak in in a gorgeously lit uh shot. He said he says to whoever it is, reach over and turn on the light. And it's Audrey Horn. It's Audrey Horn in Cooper's bed. The 18-year-old Audrey Horn. They they take great pains to point out. That's not us taking great pains to point out.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

That was yes. But she's obviously uh visually upset after whatever, and she said, Oh, don't you know let me see what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 51:08

People would say visibly upset.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

What did I say visually upset?

SPEAKER_02 51:11

Visually upset. I like it. I don't know what it means though. Isn't it the same? No. Visually visually upset. Yeah, I think so. I don't think so. I think so. I don't think so. Audibly upset. Yeah. Okay, fine. She's upset. Either way, you can tell she's upset. And then the episode ends. Um great episode. Yeah, I really enjoyed this one. A great episode of television. Uh and another great episode of podcasts. Oh yeah. We should wrap it up there. We should wrap it up there. I'm I mean, how how are you feeling about things going forward? We've got two episodes left of season one. I know. How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Well, that's worrying for me because I know I know for a fact it's not all gonna wrap up at the end. Yeah, I mean you you end your season in cliffhangers, don't you? Of course, but every episode's been a cliffhanger, and there's gonna be a longer pause between season one and season two, although we could just watch it immediately.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

No, we're gonna take a little break between season one and season two, aren't we? Of course. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Um, but yeah, really great episode. Uh I am obviously like obviously always on the hook from a uh cliffhanger, but when you have three in a row, I mean I'm mainly I want to know what happened with Leo. That's where I'm I'm like, oh yeah. Okay, okay interesting.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

But are you in general enjoying the show?

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Yeah, I am. Are you enjoying these two episodes you don't remember? I I I remembered this one a little bit more than the other one. But is it is it nice for you to watch it like this, though, and introduce it to me? This is my first time watching it having seen the return. Interesting. Okay. Has it changed that for you? Without telling me much. 100% without daily. Yes. So things happen in that that kind of I'm being very careful to say. Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 52:44

Yeah. Yeah. But absolutely it's changed for me. Uh it's given me a different appreciation of David Lynch's work in general. And again, I you know, I see his spirit here, but not a lot of like hands-on stuff.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

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SPEAKER_02 53:05

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SPEAKER_01 53:06

Welcome to Twin Peaks Pod. Tell you what, it would have been good if I didn't panic again. Did you panic?

SPEAKER_02 53:11

No.

unknown 53:11

Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Well, that's it was very good, Steve. I enjoyed it. Why don't we why don't we leave it there? I've got one one thing I want to ask you. Yeah. Who killed Laura Palmer? Hank. Really? We've changed our mind to Hank. He's the top dog now. Okay, man. Alright. But again, indirectly. Indirectly. He's the mastermind of it. But I'm asking you who killed Laura Palmer? Come on, who who did the who did it? Who did the deed? Bob. Bob is a real cop-out answer, but you're not wrong. His name is Killer Bob. Killer Bob in the game. Imagine I said it was Agent Cooper. Yeah, that would be wrong, I would say. Yeah? Oh, spoilers. Spoilers.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

That's a shame.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

Oh, anyway. Uh goodbye, listeners. Thank you very much for listening. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to watch next week's episodes uh before coming to listen to the to the to the next week's episode. This podcast was self-destructive five seconds.