Rest in Pain

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This week, they discuss the fourth episode of season one - Rest in Pain. They talk about the power of interstital shots, the ethics behind investigating crimes via dreams, and Stargate SG-1.

They continue to attempt to unravel the mystery, decipher the clues, and review the episode, which Adam has seen many times before and Steve has never seen in his life!

We'll be back next week and we’ll discuss the next episode of Twin Peaks - The One-Armed Man.

In the meantime…
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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:21

A lot going on in that one.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

And we must start the episode with just some kind of sort of noise.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

And I'm stroking my face and basically winking to the camera to say this is the thing that you noticed earlier that when I rubbed my finger. You didn't notice it. Well I didn't know you you told me about that.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

That's the same as you noticed it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A lot going on. Some new a new character? Some new characters. And uh we get to know a few characters a little bit better. Yeah. But the episode definitely focuses on Laura's funeral.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Laura's funeral is the kind of centre piece of the episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

I like the way you said centre and had a little pause and then went peace.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

I liked it. And then I held up two fingers.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

You did, yeah, like Ringo Star. And then you told me not to send letters to your house. Yeah, they'll be destroyed. Yeah. They'll be destroyed. Peace and love. Peace and love. Welcome to Welcome to Twin Peaks. Of course. To you and to uh the listeners. Uh I'm uh my name's uh it's the beginner's guide to Twin Peaks. My name's Adam Scott Glasspool.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Steve Mur Peace. Oh okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Uh what are we talking about today? We are talking about um the fourth episode of season one, yeah, which is called episode three on this, the fifth episode of our podcast. So well well, maybe this is why you emphasised peace, but the episode is called Rest in Pain.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Oh whoa!

SPEAKER_01 2:01

What do you think about that? That makes sense actually, because obviously we uh focus on uh we focus on the funeral. Um what did you think of this episode, sort of general, sort of vibes-wise?

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Uh again, we've kind of maybe it's a little more like episode two. Yeah. Uh where it's kind of just a lot of plot stuff and kind of continuing the story rather than as much vibe.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

We did we do we do have a little bit we had some more of the traffic lights and the ominous mountain. We did.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Did you notice me go mmm? Do you find it like kind of uh unnerving where when you've been to America and the the traffic lights are just hanging from strings from this like just wires?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

I haven't been to America in a long time. Okay, fair. I haven't been to America since 200 and eight. Mmm. Uh so I don't actually specifically remember traffic lights hanging from strings. I also imagine that you are more aware of traffic lights hanging from strings if you're driving. Yeah, and uh when I went to America I was too young. Well, I was too young to drink, which was sort of devastating. Then you're like, what's the point in this? Uh but I was also You have been to America since then though.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Didn't you drive around America?

SPEAKER_01 3:14

No, I'm describing that trip to you right now. Right. Uh I we uh we I was too young to rent a car.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Of course, 21 is the drinking age. Carry on.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Twenty-one is the drinking age. Uh 25, you have to be 25 to rent a car. Right. So we took um buses and trains and coaches and boats everywhere. Yeah. Hand gliders, hand gliders, overcrafts, tuck-tucks, tuck-tucks. Uh do we say motorbikes?

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Yeah, we can say motorbikes. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Talking of motorbikes, James is back.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Right now, this is the thing. This is the thing. When when it so you hear a motorbike outside uh Big Ed's. Oh, big Eds.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

And we both it's it's such whiplash because as soon as Big Ed's on the screen, we were pumping our fists and going, like, yeah, I kind of want to do if someone, if a listener out there can edit in the shot where it goes across ornaments on the shelf and then it reveals Big Ed, and on that just put in the audio of the crowd reaction of the portal scene in Endgame. Have we seen when people put that audio on things?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

That would be really good.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just Aguero!

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Um but yeah, so obviously we're very pumped to see Ed, and then we'll we'll kind of talk about the scene, I guess, in a sec. But then very sharply we're brought out of it by is that your motorbike outside, Ed? No, it's James, and we go, Oh, it's the most boring man on planet earth. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

One facial expression, too much forehead. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Well, how do how do we how do we Sorry you missed out the number three in that sentence, and it sort of really annoyed me? One expression, too much forehead.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Oh, okay. Too much, three, fourhead peace.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Um, yes, so God well, yeah, what do we learn? Because the the the the funeral kind of takes place in the middle. Well, the very beginning, we kind of get a kind of follow-up from the end of the last episode where he has a dream. The balls of it. I know who killed Laura Palmer. Whoa! Meet me at 7 a.m. at the diner. Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

I had a dream.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Yeah. The balls of that, I think I said that last week is just insane. Yeah. To just be like, I know who killed Laura Palmer. Okay, so here's my dream. And it's actually it was a helpful recap. He did describe the whole dream. He did. With the arms bending back and the cousin uh looking like Laura Palmer, and now both of those things come back in this in this episode.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Yes. And that's only just I've only just You gave less of a reaction to that than I thought you would.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, yeah. The uh the the cousin that looks like Laura Palmer. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll get to that. We will get to that, because it's teed up in like a couple of ways. Um we actually start with uh Cooper and Audrey.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Yeah, and again the kind of like sexual tension there, right? Yeah. And and because we're aware of the age and things like that, it just feels a bit icky and feels a bit does, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

Now I don't know if that's intentional or if it's just like it was it was the nineties.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Yeah. You know, it was a different time in the show. In the show. In the show. Uh I I think uh I'm happy to sit in things that are uncomfortable. Of course. You know? Uh I remember you once uh um God. What are you gonna say? Uh you watched the Royal Tenen Bums and you were like, I really liked it apart from the incest storyline because it made me feel gross. And I'm like, it's supposed to. Yeah, that's the point of the thing. I I'm less convinced that it's supposed to be in Twin Peaks. I think it's just kind of it might be part of the soap opera milieu, the mise en scene of the whole of the whole piece.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

He's gotta have, you know, the the dashing uh handsome detective. I suppose there must be a femme fatale. It just means that the femme fatale happens to be 17 in this.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

She has big femme fatale vibes for sure. But also it's not just like the scene is not just necessarily an excuse for them to kind of uh flirt with one another. Of course not. Yeah, he he gets uh to write down her name so that he can identify who sent him the note that said Jack with one eye, which meant one-eyed Jack's, which is uh brothel place that we saw in the last episode. I don't know why she put Jack with one eye.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

I don't know why she needed to because I'll tell you why we're on a T was because it's a TV show. But there had to be a bit of a puzzle.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

It just um does it really make sense in world, I guess, which actually doesn't really bother me, would it?

SPEAKER_02 7:47

It doesn't bother like again, like things tend to be a bit of mystery, then it's immediately like uh kind of solved and in the next episode some of some of it, which is fine and it's satisfying. Um what I love about Agent Cooper's uh um the way he detects. What's that? Another word for that detecting, detecting, yeah. Is that he'll just go, you did this. Or he just notices it's not like How long have you been in love with Norma? Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the same way that he gets her to write it down. I thought he'd then go around and ask other people to write down. He just goes, Right. So why'd you send me this note?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Well, I suppose if you recognise the handwriting, you're like, you're immediately just like, there's no point going around asking other people to write stuff down. No, it makes sense to me in a way.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

No, absolutely, but I just I wondered if we get that in the episode and it and it wouldn't be her, but he just the first time we get he gets uh someone to do that, it's just like yeah, okay, fine. So she did the note by the way, let's move on. Right, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Um and and even that is just a gateway to the whole like I think that whole first scene is actually just quite it's actually quite a neat little recap. Yes. Uh because uh, you know, she talks about One Eye Jacks, he asks if Laura worked there. She's like, I actually don't know, but she worked at Benjamin Horn's department store on the perfume counter, which is where Renette Puleski uh worked, and she's the other victim of whatever it is that happened to Laura. So we're all we're we talked about this last week, I think. We're we're working on all those connections around the department store and the perfume counter and uh at Benjamin Horn's department store, and he's the owner of the hotel and Audrey's father. Yes. Um so there's a whole little web of some sort of stuff going on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then yes, he meets with Harry and does a little recap of the dream. Um you have to break the code to solve the case. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

So kind of I kind of I think in the last episode that that was what I assumed it was. It's it's like here's a load of flashes of things, it just happens to be it's presented as a surreal film for us, but this is his dream and it's uh his brain firing off, which he kind of uh goes through the science of dreams, doesn't he? We've got to figure out what my brain has kind of picked up and put it all together to make sense of it.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

It actually actually did give us a lot of information actually that we were sort of you'd be fumbling around in the dark for if you just saw the dream sequence, I think.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

The the that someone shot someone else.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

The specifics of like they both have this tattoo that says fire walk with me, and the implication being that that is the thing that makes Mike and Bob, which is different to Mike and Bobby from the African Town of Twin Peaks. Um so there's the implication that the tattoo is making them kill. Yeah. So Mike cut off his arm, and that's why he's the one armed man, and then he shot Bob and they lived above a convenience store and all of that stuff. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Um it kind of spells out the uh the surreal flashes of stuff a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

What do you make of that? Like what what where do you think that might be going? How are you how are you uh sort how does that land with you, the Mike and Bob stuff at the moment? Because we don't get any more of it for the rest of the episode.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yeah, so I'm in the same place as that. You just kind of, you know, I don't we're we're kind of focusing more on no need for that. Uh we're kind of focusing idiots um on on other kind of storylines and and how people are dealing with grief and things like that in this episode. I think it's almost like we put a slight bit of a pause on that whole thing, apart from the the the cousin stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Yes, I quite like that we put a pause on it because it feels like the whole town sort of pauses for Laura's funeral. Yes. You know, everything just kind of stops because that's what they're doing. Although notably, you know, not everybody goes, but that is a well-attended funeral.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

Um I've only realised where I remember Bobby's uh dad from the the colonel, wherever he is, he's the general, the guy in the military outfit. Is he in the X-Varce? It's Scully's dad, yeah. Because he's also uh in this like in the same outfit in uh Stargate SG1. Stargate SG1 almost certain he is, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Of course, and he's the same character. Um yes, you have to break the code to solve the case, is where we land because of course, like you said, it's flashes of images, he describes them and he says, uh, and then uh Laura Palmer's cousin whispered the name of Laura Palmer's killer to me. Yeah, and we're like And then Harry's like, Well, what did she say? And he's like, I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

Yeah, so after all that he gets them he gets them round, he hasn't told them anything apart from that. I guess he his dreams might uh have an answer at some point, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

No, if you were used to shows like, you know, uh Columbo and Diagnosis Murder and Murder She Wrote, imagine how frustrated you would be tuning in to this show week on week. I can't remember. Okay, great cheers. Yes, okay, brilliant, cheers. Um and then then what do we do? Well, we uh we of course have that incredible scene with Albert Rosenfeld played by Miguel Ferrer. Uh and you're nodding at me because you know exactly who I'm talking about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

And I definitely know that character. Yeah, Albert Rosenfeld.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The the the other FBI agent who wants to wants to continue his tests uh on Laura Palmer's.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

It involved just sort of drilling holes in her head.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was that that scene is written by somebody who was having the time of their life writing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were enjoying that screen.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

He's wearing a lab coat with blood splattered up it, he looks like a man scientist.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

He's wearing goggles, uh, he does all these like alliterative insults, he calls Harry a hulking boob at one point, which I think is fantastic. Yeah. Um, but I think what also what that scene demonstrates is the differences between Twin Peaks and the outside world. Right. And I think we get a lot of that in this episode. In fact, there's a scene later on where Harry spells it out and he's like Twin Peaks is a little bit further from the rest of the world, it's different. And we like it like that. And we'll talk later about what he means by that, because what he means by that is very interesting. And we're just touching our face, yeah, which of course you noticed last time as well. Yeah. Um he is obviously, you know, we know he's very brash, but he's a get the job done regardless of the niceties kind of guy. Yeah. But you know, the small town vibe is the body should be released for the funeral. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Cooper used to used to love him being brash. Yeah. Cooper's uh Cooper's starting to like it here.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

He's starting to come round to Twin Peaks, isn't he? Well not even come round, I think he was enamoured just from sort of like the the get-go, but he's really starting to stick up for arguably arguably Coop Cooper makes the wrong decision there. Like I IJ, I think you would want to run as many tests on that as possible because you've got to remember he's knee deep in a serial killer case. Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

But he's becoming a bit close to it.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Yeah, he is becoming a bit close to it. Yeah. Um he's, you know, best friends with Harry, so he's not gonna stand for anybody sort of like, you know, having a go at his mate. Yeah. Uh even when, you know, that results in Harry punching Rosenfeld and some kind I don't know what happens there. Yeah, he does it up on top of the phone. We're trying to work out the physics.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

Yeah, we were trying to work out the physics of it. I mean he he he like tees up the punch for ten hours. Yeah, really telegrams that one. Yeah. And then he kind of flies onto her body in kind of some kind of slapstick. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

It's like a slapstick, but involves quite a realistic corpse. Yes. It's it's it's a really odd tone. And I found that all the way through this through this episode, there the the funeral we had very different reactions to. Um I don't know, yeah. We'll we'll get to we'll get to the funeral. We'll get to the funeral. We're not at the funeral yet. Well uh ultimately they release the body, don't they? Yes. Um and uh they they go over the the evidence at one point which I think is all very important and we should list dryly. Oh, absolutely. Let's do it. Um Laura had been bound when she was killed. Yeah, in two places. In two different places, in two different scenes. Um she had cocaine on her and in her system, and she had been clawed by a bird um on her shoulders and neck. Also, an unidentified plastic shard was found in her stomach, partly digested, with the letter J on it.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

So is that similar to the um the letter found under the fingernail?

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Interesting, yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Yeah, because there was a letter. Yeah, there was a letter. That's what people were looking for from the previous case.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

A calling card of the serial killer, maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Uh but more importantly, the arms were bound sort of behind her.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

So that's our first thing, yeah. We we make a little connection which is like, oh, sometimes her arms bend back, which is something that was mentioned in the dream. Yeah. So what what have we experienced outside of Cooper's dream that also occurs in his dream? We've seen the one-armed man.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Yep. Uh it wasn't me, it was the one armed man. Uh which is from Fugitive.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Sort of Am I doing the Ace Ventura? You're doing the Ace Ventura bit that is based on the Fugitive Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you've done it more like Ace Ventura.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Oh, I see what I've done there. Yeah. Somebody smoking. Um obviously the um there's a very short scene of uh Laura's cousin just sort of coming to see her uncle.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

Yeah, it starts on Leland, uh she's in town for the funeral, right? Is my guess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

And is it the same actress? Yes. Like, okay, right, because I just I I didn't because we haven't really seen a lot of Laura. When we're looking at a picture of her face right now on the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the uh in the credits. Um but because they've obviously tried to make her it's Laura, but it's not. So she's got a wig, she's got glasses. It's dyed hair. Okay, fine, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

She's not Elijah Wood. Um it is interesting, actually. I she looks less like Laura in that bit than I remember her looking. Right, okay. But that is why Leland reacts the way he does. He's like really taken with her and it's like, Maddy?

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Madeline? Can it be? Um but also the bit just before that, he's watching uh Invitation to Love.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

And it introduces the idea that one actress is playing two. That's incredible, yeah. Jade and Emerald, right? Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. To my darling daughter Jade and Emerald. Right. It was really good.

unknown 18:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

So there's all the there's it's that Alan Wake thing that I was uh that we were talking about, the the parallels of the fake soap opera and the soap opera that we're watching. Yeah, they they point that out to you before it even happens. Your life is imitating the the thing that's happening on their TVs. Uh yeah, I don't think it happens loads. I think you know, uh that's that that's a very obvious, uh a very obvious one. Or or not that obvious, as it as it turns out. Um and then uh uh Cooper and uh was the name of the sheriff? Harry, well done. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

I struggle, I don't know why it should be easy to remember. He he told me it was easy to remember, and I I forgot.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Just remember it's the name of the president, Harry S. Truman. Yeah. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Just remember the word just remember the name. Just remember the name Harry, and you might oh okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

They go talk about they go talk to Leo, um, who behaves like the guiltiest man you've ever seen in your life.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

He's like, he's like, You got a criminal record? None, you can check it. Uh he listens criminal records, he's like, you're fine. I did my time. I love it. It's so good. Yeah, he does you love that. And he I love that. Yeah. Uh Leo, who's always doing some sort of angry busy work. He's either chopping wood or like using a knife to get stones out of his shoes. Yeah. Um, always doing some sort of something menacing. Yeah, with a with a weapon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like the guy. I like something about him.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah, it's the ponytail. That's what it is. You're just like, ugh, gross. Um, this is all before the funeral, isn't it? And then there's that really nice uh we didn't mention it last week, but there's a parallel of a scene with uh last week between Bobby and his father from Stargate SG1. Yes. Um last week they were at the dinner table with the club. He plays the portal.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

The Stargate, it's there. It's there in the name. SG stands for Stargate.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Maybe you um had mistranslated the hieroglyphs. Yes. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Is that from Stargate? Yeah, yeah, they put some hieroglyphs together. There's some sort of And then James Spader's like, who who translated this? And the dorky little fucking dick is like, uh I I did it actually. Oh, is he in the movie? Who? Spader. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Okay, I'm talking about the SG1, which is the TV series.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

This is the TV series, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 21:10

But I and it follows on directly from the movie?

SPEAKER_01 21:12

I don't know, I've never seen SG1. I've never seen Stargate. I've just seen that clip on TikTok about two days ago.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

They're called the Ghoul Gaul, and they're like No, those are the owls.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Sorry? Those are the Legend of the What's it called? Legend of the Guardians. Legend of the Guardians, the owls of Gahool. Are they really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Well they're the little worm snake things that live inside people's stomachs. What? And they're ancient Egyptians and Ra the god Ra, the god, is the sun is in it.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Well, Ra is the sun god in like ancient Egypt.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, well not he's all but he lives in this, in some sort of ancient Egypt uh futuristic world.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Well, that's why the hieroglyphs must make sense. Is it about how like the ancient Egyptians had discovered a gate to the stars and that was the gods they worshipped? Because that's hard as fuck. I'm gonna watch Stargate.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Yeah, that's cool. But you know, because it's T V series, they're they're You know, like it's not much you know, adventure. They'll go they find some hieroglyphs to go to some sort of world, take the portal to the world, okay, have an adventure in the world, and come back, but this is over at should we sack off the Twin Pinks podcast and do Stargate SG1? Yeah. Yeah. Done. Must be done. Hello and welcome to Welcome to Stargate SG1. Probably got Stargate SG1 podcast for beginners.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Where were we? My grandad had a big problem with uh Stargate uh because he was he watched it and he was like, Wow, they found this like amazing portal to another world, but they don't really send loads of scientists, they send the army, and he was like, Why would you send the army anyway they do send scientists? Some scientists, yeah. But why would you send the army?

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Because um when it first opens, a big army of futuristic bastards comes out of it. Is that true? I think so. Okay. The Guaul from Legend of the Guardians. Okay, the owl movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

The owls of Gahool. Have you seen the Owls of Gahool, Legend of the Guardians? No. Zach Zack Schneider. Is it? Yep. What hour?

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Is there a Snyder cut of Legend of the Guardians?

SPEAKER_01 23:09

It's four hours. Black and white. Four-three, yeah. Um how we intended. What what were we talking about? Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

So the dude, yeah, scene with the Stargate and Bobby. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

In the previous episode, which we didn't mention for some reason. I remember thinking, like, oh, we should have talked about that. Uh, he tries to have a bit of a heart to heart with his son at the dinner table uh about you know accepting that Bobby has a rebellious nature and it's almost his job to rebel against his father, um, but at the same time he is bound to still perform the duties of the father and not give in to the rebellion.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

I think does he slap a cigarette out of his face and it lands in his mother's dinner like the same trick they do if you like when you throw a knife and then it pans to somebody and it has their knife in the the person's head, kind of thing, but the cigarette's in her pudding.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

So there's a parallel of that scene in this week's episode uh before the funeral. And I thought it was really moving actually, where he's talking about uh death and the responsibility of the living to bury the dead and keep them keep them close and keep them in their thoughts. And I think actually Dana Ashbrook, who plays plays Bobby, does a really good job of being that rebellious kind of um it's basically Marlon Brando James Dean kind of thing where he's like Rebel Without a Cause kind of thing, uh and being like you d no one understands me, you don't understand me.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

And then when we get to the funeral Well, in that scene, first of all, he says he's gonna turn the thing upside down or something.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

Yeah, I think because he's expecting James to be there, right? Yeah. And James is like w has said that he's not gonna go in that scene with uh with Big Ed. Uh the funeral plays out interestingly I found the first half to be very moving, and you were laughing. And then I found the second half to be very funny, and you were like, Are you laughing?

SPEAKER_02 25:12

What was I what was I laughing about in the moving part?

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Uh you were you were laughing when when Bobby so they he the priest gives the eulogy and it's obviously they continue to make it very clear how beloved by the community and how important the community Laura was. Um and then uh Johnny Audrey's brother, yeah uh who is mentally disabled, uh shouts Amen. Yeah. And then Bobby follows it up with his very dramatic Amen Now that's the bit I was laughing at.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

I wasn't laughing at the brother.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

The next but I think maybe you were still laughing at that. I don't know. The the the next sort of um uh 30 seconds is actually kind of like an astute sort of moment from Bobby, I think, when he's like, Who killed Laura Palmer? You all did. We all did, yeah, we all did. Because we all everybody knew she was in trouble. You know, we've learned that she was, you know, using cocaine and involved potentially in some way with one-eyed Jax and had this like kind of dark secret that Leo knows about.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

And it kind of gives off the vibe in that I've got this whole thing of I mean, I know it's a mystery show, and we're not being told the whole picture, but they all seem to be aware of what's kind of happened to Laura, but aren't letting on and in yes in that kind of way. That's what I got from that. And the way he's saying it's like, look, guys, we all know what sort of fucking happened here, but we are not we're I don't think anybody really knows who killed her. No, but they but they know what Laura was like, and they're choosing not to mention that and all this kind of stuff, and everyone is aware of everybody's aware of the seedy underbelly of Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Nobody is really talking about it in relation to Laura Mark. And that is David Lynch's bread and butter. Uh, we've talked about it before, the the seedy underbelly of the suburban environment of the American dream.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

And it's almost personified a lot in this episode of there's so many secret um compartments and passages.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

There is a lot of secret compartments and passages. Um Audrey's secret door.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

Well, Audrey's little secret door that's really obvious, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Really obvious because you can see the door handle.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

And then she goes and does a um a psycho where she looks through the painting. She's got a little peephole. She's got a little peephole. There's no Vince Vaughan masturbating though in this one. Why did so right, psycho. Yeah, shot for shot remake, one change.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

One change is just one little change. And Vince Vaughan bashing up. Ghost was just like, and I'm just gonna make a little change.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Yeah, what change is that? What are you gonna make?

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Wanking. What? He's gonna be wanking. Who's gonna be wanking? Uh Norman Bates. Played by That's why he's called that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

Master Bates.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Yeah, he was like, and and in this scene, Norman Bates. And they were like, Yeah, he is. He's like, no, no, he is.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

It's sort of the same, but Vince Vaughan's wanking. Yeah, that was the pitch. Yeah, yeah. You're on. Yeah. They're all doing cocaine as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

But then he put S at the end and made it a dollar sign. Perfect. Psycho. That just says psycho but Vince Vaughan's wankings. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

And it's a dollar sign. There, um, but obviously the uh the I know we're gonna come back to the funeral, but yeah, just the kind of secret passage thing, the underbelly thing. Yeah, there's the secret thing in the hotel with peepholes, there's the secret safe behind the bookshelf.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Of course, and that's something else that we saw last week that we forgot to mention. We'll come back to it, we'll come back to it.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Yeah, the ledgers, and then uh I've forgotten her name. The lady that uh is married to the sawmill thing. She's married to the sawmill thing. And aren't we all?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Yeah, we really are. Um of course talking about Martell. Yes. Why can I never remember her name? Because it's not Christine, is it? Because it's not Christine, that's the thing. Married to Pete Martell. Yes. Uh, you know, uh uh furiously checks notes. Uh Catherine with Christie. Catherine Martell, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

She hides the secret ledger in another secret compartment.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

So, yeah, loads of secret compartments, and then of course you've got it's not really a secret compartment, but there is a secret society in the Bookhouse Boys. But we'll get to the Book House Boys. We're still at the funeral. Yes. I thought that was very moving. The whole you all know what happened to Laura. We are all complicit in this horrible death slash murder. You were still laughing from the Amen, which is to be fair, very dramatic. And then um he sees James and they start a bit of a fight, which I thought was shot really, really nicely, and I don't know if that was a decision made before or after they shot it. It it almost looks like a decision made after, where they were like, we don't have proper coverage of this fight. So let's slow it. Slow it down, keep it as one shot, keep the audio running at the same pace so you feel you feel the how visceral the dialogue is.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Apart from the dialogue, the dialogue is also slowed down for um Bobby though. He's like going. But then you've got other dialogue over the top kept in normally. Which is very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Uh but but Bobby, you can hear him say, Yeah, you're gonna die, man, you're gonna die. But it's not slowed down at it.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

No, but there's definitely slowed down vocals, because I found that quite not funny, but like it's literally like someone goes, no. Yeah, um so there's like two dialogue things going on there. But it's dramatic and uh Yeah, I think it actually made the moment like quite poignant.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Um you don't want to punch up at a f uh uh funeral, you know, it's it's it's um yeah, quite a quite a poignant moment. Um I guess the the James and Bobby are separated and while that commotion is happening, Leland falls, kind of dives. Dives onto Laura's coffin crying. Yeah. And I think that is very emotional. Yes. But then I started laughing because the coffin is going like up and down, and he's just crying on it.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

It's gone haywire!

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Yeah, yeah, someone shouts it's gone haywire. Yeah. I thought that was quite funny. The tone of this one is mad. Um it does feel like more like episode two than it does the pilot or episode three. Um wait, no, this is episode three.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

No, this is but this is episode four. This is the fourth episode.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

This is the fifth episode of the podcast though. Oh, shut it. Okay, anyway, look, that I mean the reason for that is the same as the one that we said was plot driven. Yeah. Is that um this one not directed by David Lynch. Sure. Also the first one not to be it's not the first one not to be written. It's it well uh yes it is, I think. It's it's written by someone who's not Mark Frost or David Lynch. Right. Either. So this is not directed or written by the guys that created it. Yeah. You know, they are just showrunners for this one. Right. Yeah. Um so we are in uh a space that we haven't been before. Usually one of those two has direct oversight, even if it's just, you know, David Lynch is directing a script written by somebody else, or somebody else is uh directing a script written by Mark Frost and David Lynch. This was directed by Tina Rathbourne and written by Harley Payton. They both come back. They both come back to direct other episodes or write other episodes as well. And I think I don't know, this one worked better than the second episode. Than the than the other episode that was missing.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

This is more tonal, but it still had uh like uh funny beats and uh sort of very serious parts, but also like just the shots that are just of the ambient traffic lights hanging from strings. Um but it's so uh you know, like I think that this one I I really enjoyed this episode. Uh it was movie along the plot, but it did it in a less dry way.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yeah, I think some of that comes from the fact that Tina Rathbourne, the director, was very into uh Jungian analytical psychology. Sure. Which is the thing that Well it's it's the it's the uh analysing of dreams.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Okay, yes. Um yeah Which he he sort of does like almost spell out, doesn't he, in that at that point, um at the start of the episode. Um yeah, the uh I mean I I wasn't sure how to f this is exactly what they wanted to to feel like, but I wasn't sure how to feel about the because he kind of dives on the coffin in a really funny way, yeah, where he clearly just jumped onto a mat and then they cut to the shot where he falls on it. Um but yeah, we really are just sort of wallowing in his uh kind of grief that's turning him mad, really. Um because we had we had that scene with him before, didn't we, where he starts dancing and smashing the photo and smearing his blood all over Laura's picture and yeah uh that comes back a little bit at the end of this episode, the final scene.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Is it the final scene? One of one of the one of the last scenes. Yeah. Um is Leland in the uh the lobby slash bar slash dance floor of the Great Northern. The wake? Uh I don't know. No, I think that's just an a normal night at the hotel. Yeah, well, I mean his business partner is partner is is is Ben Horn, right? Of course, yeah. Um I so yeah, and then he starts uh dancing and tries to get people to dance with him and has a breakdown, and Hawke and Cooper take him away. Yeah. But they've just been out there they're you know, they're capping off a long night, uh, Hawk and Cooper at that point because of course Harry summons Cooper to the RR Diner. Yep. Where he meets with uh Hawke and Big Ed as well. Big Ed, I love that Big Ed helps out the sheriff department. Hell yeah. That's like hard as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Yeah, like he's not he's not a deputy, and he's like, it's just the right thing to do.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Oh, the that line is uh is great. They they they think that somebody is um running drugs into town from north of the border and selling them to high school kids, and then when when Cooper finds out that Ed is like helping, he's like, Well, it's not really your jurisdiction, and Ed is like somebody selling drugs to high school kids, I think that's everybody's jurisdiction.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

And you're like, Big Ed Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

That's when you find out a few things. What do you what do you find out? Take us through it.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

One that this is where pies gotta die. Gotta die. Yeah. Uh two, that's the coffee's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

We we find out to start with that there's a kind of darkness in Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks is a bit different to other places. And maybe that's the price you pay for the good things. Yeah. But there's something in the woods. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

Something deep within something evil deep within the woods that we can't explain. But we have always been fighting it.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Who's we?

SPEAKER_02 36:48

The men that came before, and the men that came before them, and the men that will come after us.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Oh my god, like a secret society.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Yeah. Well, that's exactly what Cooper says. He's like, oh, rubs his hands. He's so interested.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Secret society. Because he's just learned about the bookhouse boys.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

I was just gonna say the book boys then. The bookhouse boys, of course. Um, and then yes, just to hammer it home in case some people didn't pick up on the old signal with the rubbing of the side of the face with a finger.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

I don't know who wouldn't have picked up on that the first time I heard it, but maybe some people didn't.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Maybe some people didn't. They they kind of go, We have a secret society, look at each other and do the symbol kind of and then look at the camera and go and wink. Yeah. And then they go, This is the symbol we do as the bookhouse boys.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Yeah, we're the bookhouse boys, and then they take him to where they meet, which is called the bookhouse boys, and they're all boys. Do you know what? I have this visceral reaction every time because I forget, uh, and then it's revealed in this episode, and I'm always like I'm almost like bookhouse boys, cool as fuck. Then they reveal that James is a member, and I'm like, ah, that's not really.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Honestly, like yeah, you come into it and it's like the coffee's free, and he's like, Oh, it's getting a bit, it's a bit dark in this building. Turn around the corner, there he is. Yeah, boring as fuck. Moon bouncing off his forehead. Awful.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

I don't know what Laura saw in him, honestly. Stupid. Who else have we got there aside apart from we have uh just a random guy that we've never met, and basically at the diner they explain that they think that Jacques Renault is the person who is uh maybe in charge or at least involved with the drug running. Uh and Jacques Renault is the person who potentially I don't know if I buy it, but drugged Big Ed in the fight a couple of episodes ago.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

So we do know who the other guy is, I think. The the it's another biker, and he had a big name beginning with Jay, and he was one of when they were kind of wondering who the bikers were. I think that was maybe the other one that they briefly thought. Oh, I don't remember seeing before they discovered the game. Maybe not, maybe not.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

But there's also a third guy there, a guy that they've sort of kidnapped and tied up, yeah. Uh, who is Bernard Renault, which is Jacques Renault's uh brother. Yeah. Uh he's the janitor. Yeah, where's he from?

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Well, so I think so so Jacques sounds like a French name, right? And Bernard sounds like he's trying to do French.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Well, I think it must be a French Canadian, right? Of course. North of the border. Right. That's not a French accent.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

It's not really any accent at one point he's like Jamaican. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

I don't know what the accent is.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Yeah. But good lord. They essentially think that he well, he came into town with an ounce of cocaine and they believe that he's a mule, right? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

I love that A.J. Cooper discovers that the Secret Society has someone gagged and bound in a and he's just like, hey man, so did you uh sell drugs to Laura Palmer? He's nice. This guy's the FBI.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

I you know, either he's seen a lot or he's turning a blind eye. I mean, he refused to sign uh Rosenfeld's instant report for when Harry hit him. He was like, I'm not signing that because that's my bestie. Yeah. Um, which, you know, again, questionable. Yeah. You know, you know, it's just because he wants, you know, to uh buy a house in Twin Peach. Yeah, right. Literally does.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Uh yeah, so we find out that this is kind of focusing a little bit more on this whole drug situation this episode, right? The the the drug running. The one-eyed jacks stuff of it all. Yeah, which is all kind of linked with Leo, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:24

Uh yes, in fact, um Chocrena is about to go into the roadhouse, but the warning light is on, and he calls Leo to come and get him. Yeah. And Leo does, as far as we know. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

After picking sort of stones out of the shoe with a big with a sort of scary knife. Yeah, sort of menacingly doing housework. Yeah. Just again in case we weren't sure that he was a bastard or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um Yeah, so then we find we that there's that all of that stuff, and I can't really remember where it goes from there.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

I think that's pretty much the end of the episode, to be honest with you. It feels like there were no huge revelations. You know? No. It was all just little bits of information that adds to stuff that we already knew. So there's the there's the there's now only one ledger in the safe because Catherine knows that Joan is on to her. Yeah. But Joan's got on Harry involved in that. That's you know, we've we've moved that on a little bit further. We've moved the Bobby and James tension on a little bit further.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Oh, we saw Harry and Joan kissing a bit.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

We did see them kissing a bit, and then we cut to a picture of the moon. And you went, nice. I don't tell everyone.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

But it was nice. It was nice.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Yeah. Yeah, there were a few shots where I was going like but it was all shots of like trees and wooden buildings.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

Yeah, that's the shot. The shot of the saw mill at the beginning sort of rubbed your legs.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Yeah, yeah, lovely stuff. Lovely stuff. Um there's a scene that's really interesting to me that I think moves forward a little bit of characterisation, if not the plot, which is that Dr. Jacobee uh is not at Laura's funeral and attends the grave later that evening. Yeah, which Cooper had a hunch that somebody would. Yeah. And maybe he thinks that's because the killer would do that. Yeah. But Dr. Jacobi does attend that evening and has a very interesting in uh conversation with Cooper where he says that he feels like he's a bad person, right? He feels like he's he's he's an evil man, maybe I think is something that he says, and that uh you know he he listens to all these people as a psychiatrist telling them their problems and he doesn't care, and the only person that's ever broken through is Laura Palmer. Um yeah, a very interesting scene. I don't know if we are we certainly I don't know that at this point my mind has moved on in terms of suspects. Like, I'm about to ask you who killed Laura Palmer. Yeah. And I assume you're probably gonna give me the same answer as you gave me last week, which is the character named Killer Bob.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

The character named Killer Bob. It could be Leo is involved. Could be Leo is involved, yeah. I mean they're really kind of pushing that on this episode potentially.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Like, do you think that uh all of this drugs, uh brothel one-eyed jack sort of stuff is stuff that led directly to her murder, or do you think it's just something she was into and the murder was separate? Who is Killer Bob? How does he fit into the darkness in the woods? You know, I mean there's like a lot going on, isn't there?

SPEAKER_02 43:32

Well, my my brain, like I I think I kind of lean towards more because I don't think uh like a sorry a serial killer would be someone hired by drug people, you know? Right. Like but then that might be the hitman ha they is for some reason is into some weird shit. My I also think that maybe killer bob and Mike Mike the one on man the one on man, I know because he is actually in real life. I was gonna say Maybe those are uh exaggerated dream versions of the real Mike and Bob Bobby, but maybe not. Oh, okay. Yeah, interesting. Because the one on man is is in reality as well, so ignore that bit. Uh whereas we haven't seen Killer Bob apart from sort of appearing uh in visions. Yeah. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

So it's almost like we actually don't have like I mean the guy's called Killer Bob, and he said stuff he looked at the camera and said, I will kill again. Yeah, but and we've seen him in Laura Parber's bedroom, you know, at the foot of the bed and stuff. Yeah it's almost like we don't have loads of suspects. Not really. But we have loads of situations. Yeah. We have, you know, potentially something supernatural happening in the woods. Uh we have jealous lovers, and we have the whole drug one-eyed jack stuff that's going on. And they seem like separate things, and it's interesting. I don't know whether all three play into the murder, or one of them was directly responsible for the murder, or none of them. It could just be a big misdirect at this point, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Yeah, or it's just, yeah, like you said, a combination of all of those things. Yeah. Um I don't necessarily lean too much into the fact there's a genuine evil in the woods. I think that You don't.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

I don't You think that's just a sort of a feeling that the townspeople have. Yeah. I think you would. I mean, I've been to villages. Uh I was gonna say I've stayed overnight in cottages and stuff, and there is a there is a there's a feeling of an old something in the spaces where we don't build things, isn't there? Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Like the woods and the fields and there's an old uh sort of ancient medieval or or oh my god, is it gonna be like M. Night Shiremelon's the village? And there's sort of monsters in the woods and they're sort of porcupines, and Adrian Brodie's sort of doing an offensive. Adrian Brodie's performance in that is something, isn't it? Something else, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Isn't the I mean, spoilers for the village, isn't the thing about the village is that there is no monsters in the woods?

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Yeah, they're just sort of an Amish kind of cut-off um society.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

A twist that makes no sense when there's a scene between two people who know that having a conversation as though they don't. Which is fascinating. It's almost like you didn't Yeah, sort of think about it.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

Yeah. And also there's a beach in the village and no one can go and everyone goes old there.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Everyone gets old at the beach. Yeah. I love getting old at the beach. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's sort of argue. You can do it, um, and you can do it. You can because aren't you aging everywhere? You are aging everywhere, but you can get old at the beach if you stay in the water for too long and your hands go all wrinkly. Likewise, if you stay in the sun too long, then you're gonna age your skin quickly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

You can get old at the beach, and you can think we've solved the murder of Laura Palmer. I think we have. You can where are you? Right, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

So I'm gonna ask you, who uh who killed Laura Palmer?

SPEAKER_02 46:47

Uh I don't have it, I don't have a handle on it. I I think it I think it's too I think it's too nebulous at this point.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Okay, alright. Uh fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 46:55

But I'm still between those the yeah, like you said, there's these three things and it's all connected, and something between that, there's some sort of serial killer. It could just be a serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

Could yeah, imagine if it was just someone we haven't met yet. I'd be rubbish walking into town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely something ritualistic about the murder. Yes tied up, necklace placed in a mound of dirt, fire walk with me, was at the scene which matches the tattoo that Mike and Killerbob claim to have. It's a lot of stuff, you know. Yeah. Maybe we'll find out more if uh Renette Pelaski wakes up.

unknown 47:30

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 47:31

So you've got to remember she's in a coma. We'd potentially have a an eyewitness there.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

Ooh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't end on much of a cliffhanger this episode, right? So I'm not really sure what to expect from the next one.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

Yeah, it's sort of an emotional sort of uh sort of ending. Uh the next one, well, listen to this. It's called The One Armed Man. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um all right. So, listeners, you've got a week to watch uh the next episode, uh, episode four, it's the fifth episode of the first season. We'll be covering it in our sixth episode of the podcast. Um come and join us on the socials. Welcome to Twin Peaks pod. I would imagine I'd imagine so. Yeah, I think I would have thought so. You can find us. Yeah, what if you want to, you will find us. We don't have a sign-off really. Yeah, we do. Do we?

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Bye from Twin Peaks. What's that? Goodbye from welcome to see you later.

SPEAKER_01 48:29

What about you are now leaving Twin Peaks? Because that's like that would be the other side of the I mean that is the thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 48:35

Yeah, thank you for driving safely.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Thank you for driving safely.