Traces to Nowhere

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Join Adam and Steve as they put on their investigation trenchcoats, pour a hot steaming cup of coffee, and dive into the world of Twin Peaks.

This week, they discuss the second episode of season one - Traces to Nowhere. They talk about auteur theory, tonal transitions, and percolator fish.

They continue to attempt to unravel the mystery, decipher the clues, and review the episode, which Adam has seen many times before and Steve has never seen in his life!

We'll be back next week and we’ll discuss the next episode of Twin Peaks - Zen, or the Skill to Catch a Killer.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Some questions answered. Some more questions posed. Some coconuts opened. Some coconuts opened. What is that guy's deal? He just loves Hawaii. Is that what it is? The palm trees guy. He's a palm trees guy. Might not be Hawaii. I guess so. It's just I I I get Hawaii from him though. That's because the tie, the tie in the last episode, right? Because it had hula girls on it. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about the very last scene of the second episode of the first season of Twin Peaks. Welcome to, welcome to Twin Peaks, uh, a Twin Peaks podcast for beginners. What episode are we talking about?

SPEAKER_02 0:54

It's very confusingly named all of this stuff. It's episode two, but it's also episode one.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Technically, it's called episode one. It is the second episode. We're gonna call it Traces to Nowhere. Yeah. It's we're gonna call it the second episode of season one. Yeah. We're gonna say that it was written by David Lynch and Mark Frost. We're gonna say it. We're gonna say it, which is true. We're gonna we're gonna say that it was directed by David Lynch. Dwayne Dunham. Dwayne Johnson. Dwayne Dunham. And it's original original air date was April twelfth, nineteen ninety. Yeah, now that's something that struck me watching it uh today was that's this is nineteen ninety. Yeah. It's well ahead of its time. It's like real like slow and methodical and thoughtful and uh a lot of interweaving sort of stuff going on. Were they not doing that in 1990 elsewhere?

SPEAKER_02 1:50

I can't think of anything, can you? I guess not. I mean I can't think of anything right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

There were bits of it that made me think of Breaking Bad, and that's not from 1990. Yeah, that's from 1995.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

But then also everything's Yeah, I think something like that.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Is it is that right? But also everything's brown.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Everything's brown, and uh just because we're in the Pacific Northwest where everything is brown, uh, and everything is shot like a a soap opera with very slow zooms.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

So it kind of gives it shot like a soap opera, but everything's also shot like a film. Yes. Uh although I have to say I I saw Oh, I'm Adam Scott Glasspool. And I'm Steve Murphy. I I saw sort of um less distinctive visual stuff than I saw in the first thing that we watched. Like the hour and a half long thing directed by David Lynch. Yeah. This is definitely I think I was reading that Dwayne Dunham was definitely like I saw David Lynch used a lot of static camera in the first episode, I'm gonna mirror that. Okay. You know what I mean? So like he's not it it doesn't feel as much of um how familiar are you with auteur theory, Steve?

SPEAKER_02 3:01

You know, like as in a a director has a very specific style, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Yes, something that has a very like a singular authorship. I didn't feel as much of that from this. This felt much more like a TV show than the last thing that we watched.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

This was a series of just scenes, whereas in the in the first in the pilot, um there was that lovely shot of the bridge and very specific artistic stuff going on.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

It would cut away to the traffic lights changing colour, it would cut away to the trees, it would cut away to uh the fan on the ceiling of the landing of the of Laura Palmer's house. Didn't get a lot of that in this one. This is a lot of scenes of dialogue, it's a lot of scenes of dialogue, it was much more soap opera-y, and like I said at the beginning, we got some questions answered, we've got some questions left remaining, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. So we know that James is not really a suspect. Uh that they they let go of all three of the young high school guys that they arrested in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

And I trust Coop.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

So like And we trust Coop implicitly, don't we?

SPEAKER_02 4:05

We always have.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

We always have. As soon as honestly, though, as soon as he walks onto screen, you're like, that's my guy.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Yeah, oh well, he didn't walk onto the screen this time, did he?

SPEAKER_01 4:14

I guess the screen walked up him as he down him. Well, let's be honest, dangled like a bat. Yeah, he was, he was. It's such a strange opening. Um obviously that I mean one of the best things about Twin Peaks is that it opens with one of the greatest title sequences in the world, sure with one of the best theme chains in the world, yeah. Um with the shots of the hotel and the waterfall and the robin and the sign, all of that stuff. We don't need to mention it every time that we do one of these episodes. We do and we will. We will uh we have but it it it very yeah, it very slowly pans across his hotel room in the Great Northern room 315. Write that down. Uh you don't need to talk to me? Yeah, I don't know. You, the listener, whatever. Um, and yes, he is hanging upside down while he's talking into his tape recorder uh to Diane.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

To Diane, yes, and so that I mean the opening in what five minutes or so is quite alarming because it's comedy. Uh yeah. So he's he's hanging upside down, that's wacky. Here's this wacky guy, he's the way he's talking to Diane is very interesting and funny. He's going into far too much detail considering what from what I understand it's mainly about expenses and stuff, right? But then but then he tells her too much.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

I I think he's giving her every detail of the case, right? And he's like reminding her of a lumpy bed that he had on a different case somewhere, but she's heard the story like a number of times before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

And then and then we he goes to the um I forget the name of the the police officer that is his Watson to his Harry. Yeah to Harry Sheriff Truman. And has that great scene where he's eating.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah, so that I mean, yeah, it starts as a comedy, and I think this is something that we found on the last episode that we watched of the pilot. Yeah. Is that uh the tone is just jarring. It's quite jarring in places because you go from that great thing where everyone's eating a donut because they're cops, yeah, and he's chewing while Cooper's talking million miles an hour, and you cut to the results of the autopsy of Laura Palmer's very in detail. Very in detail reveals that she had uh sexual interactions with at least three men just before she died, uh, or in at least in the 24 hours before she died, and that is horrible and sad. Yeah. Isn't she is I think Laura Palmer let's not forget, I think she's 17 in the show. Yeah, yeah. Um it's it's it's the loss of a young life. Yeah. Um the way it how how does it is it is it balancing that tone for you, or is it just too all over the place?

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Uh overall it balances, yeah. But it but it hard cuts between the two vibes. Make some vibes, guys. So we know what yeah, we know about vibes.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

I've I've I've I've felt a vibe or two. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about some vibes. I've been on some vibes, Steve.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

Um yeah, no, no, it it is quite jarring, but like that that kind of seems like a style in itself that I can get into that.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

I will say it's not by accident, I reckon. Of course, that's what I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Um yeah, it's uh everything's heightened, isn't it? And it and it is that uh soppery type feel of like even the acting in some scenes is so overly dramatic. Um James talking to them in the interview, for example.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Uh just we get our first um maybe first as a spoiler, it's the first time we we we've seen a flashback of Laura, right? Yes. Is when it zooms in on his face because Co Coop is asking about who has the other half of that necklace. Now we know who had the other half of the necklace because we saw James bury it because they were lovers, yeah. Uh because again, so Laura was cheating on her boyfriend, who is Bobby, with James, and James is now with Donna, who is cheating on her boyfriend, which is Mike, and Bobby and Mike are friends. Did I get that right?

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Yeah, and Mike's also called snakes or something. Is that true? Is that not what he called him in this in the cell? I don't think. I thought he called him snake. I don't think I've ever caught that. Really?

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Is that true? I don't think it comes back.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

But likewise, right? If it's not true, what have I done?

SPEAKER_01 8:37

What have you done? Snakes, really.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

Or it might just be snake.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

Mike the snake. I've never considered that his name is Snake. I kind of know him as Mike, I guess. Let's go with Mike. Okay, let's go with Mike just in case. I think we could call him. We could go with Snake with Snake. It's a better vibe. It is a nice update.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Snake who wears the uh the uniform that everyone is wearing in this series. The letterman jacket. Well, no, no, he's wearing the the the thick plaid shirt with the exact same white undershirt, long sleeve undershirt. Everyone is wearing that.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Big Ed is wearing that, and you know you love to see Big Ed turn up.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

There was that couple later in a hospital that were both wearing. Of course, yes. Uh yeah. Now did you uh The guy that put the fish in the thing, he was wearing it.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Well, this is one of the questions that this is one of the biggest questions from the episode is how did that fish get in that percolator? Well, exactly. You're like that, and uh you know, I think that's something we'll have to track across the screen. Really? Is that gonna be we're gonna have a lot of open-ended questions that we're just not sure about, and one of them is how did that fish get in that that percolator? Another funny scene, right? Another funny scene.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

The the reaction of Cooper, the the extent of Because they both have a mouthful of coffee. And just the way they deal with they linger a little bit long on that shot just to get some good reaction shots. What the fuck was I saying? Uh we were talking about The flashback.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

The flashback James and the necklace. Yeah. James buried it. At the end of the last episode, obviously, we saw the vision of someone. Laura Palmer's mother had a vision of the hands maybe unearthing the necklace. Maybe she didn't have a vision, maybe she just felt something. Um we now know who has the necklace now, which we won't talk, we won't reveal it because that's the cliffhanger of the end of the episode. That's the cliffhanger of the end of the episode. Um Hawaiian guy. It's the Hawaiian guy. And again, we must stress he's not Hawaiian himself. He's not the Hawaiian guy, he's the Hawaii guy. He loves Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I I yeah, I think Hawaii I'm getting from the first tie. The second tie, the one in this episode, is just a trout. Oh, is it really?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

It's just a fish. But then everything is he's got a I mean, I would go pretty far ahead to the end. A fish tank with uh puffer fish. Sure. Did you notice this? I did not notice this. Plastic puffer fish that were blown there's no water in it. Like just with lights in them that were flashing on and off. That's kind of that's also a vibe, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 11:04

That's a vi I mean that's a vibe. If we're talking about vibes, we should talk about the room that we're in. I've lit it right. I've lit it red. Well, as is tradition, yeah. We have been to the pub. We've been to the pub and we've come back to the phone. Uh I've lit it red, I've got a lava lamp on, we've we're staring at um we're staring at Laura Palmer's high school homecoming picture of the big TV.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

We are in association with propaganda films across the eyes.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Yeah, I need to find if if there's a frame that doesn't have that on, and then we can have all of our um we we can have all of our episodes uh looked over by Laura Palmer in the same way that I hope that she's looked over, you know. Um Yes, we had our first flashback of Laura Palmer, and it's her saying that she realized for the first time that James is actually in love with her, and she breaks the necklace in half and gives half to James.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

Now I have a question about that. Yeah, of course. Do you sell these necklaces that that can break easily? Is that the thing? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

You get like friendship bracelets and friendship necklaces and stuff that are designed to do that exact thing, or keyrings are very popular these days.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

They're gonna leave a sharp edge.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

It might leave a sharp edge, to be fair. Yeah, but you can sand that down. You can you can sand that down, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah, it's yeah, so she gives him that. That's just like a uh who has the other half of the necklace, and then there's this long Well he denies it, doesn't he? And then he's like, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

I don't know anything about that. Um how much do we actually sort of learn about the the case?

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Well, we get some more hints or more suspect like things thrown into the hat. So um Leo, who's the abusive husband of the diner, the waitress of Shelley Johnson. Shell Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Shelly Shelly and Leo Johnson.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

Now she washes some of his clothes because he was like, wash these, she's like, I'm going to work, I'll do it when I get home. He's like, wash them now, she washes them now, and she finds on a blue shirt, a blue denim shirt, covered in red. It's blood. There's blood on his shirt.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

How could you tell it was blood?

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Well, that's the uh implication, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 13:14

I I don't think it was much of an implication when you have that clearly ADR line of someone going, Blood. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Oh yeah, yeah. Do you remember the voice of blood?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Blood It's a good point. Heavily implied.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

I love what I love is that they must have gone so they were editing and they were like, it's not quite obvious.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

It's the result of a meeting, isn't it? 100%. Then they showed it to someone and they were like, What what did he spill chocolate sauce down in? They're like, No, it's blood. Oh, we didn't get that. We need to put cool Manchinowic back in.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

We need to get her to do one word into a microphone. Over her saying something else. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Uh yeah, and so but she she hides the jacket, doesn't put it in the wash. So there's like implication that he has been involved in something nefarious.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Something nefarious, and of course, from last time we have the whole thing that like he is in Isn't he in the magazine that Ronette advertises in uh for sex work? Is that right? Yeah, yes. Now Renette is still unconscious at this point. Um Shelley hides the shirt when Leo gets when when Leo realizes oh fuck the shirt and he can't find it when Shelley gets home later that night, he pretty savagely uh beats her.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

He puts a bit of soap in a sock and soap in a sock, it's a bit of a prison move quite grim. It's really grim. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah, and then I don't know, you're it's sort of followed up by some kind of slapstick comedy session, I imagine.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Yeah, a man slips in a banana skin straight after you.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

The tone is is insane. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Um yeah, so we have that. We all there's also this um potential corporate angle of maybe something's gone on there, right? There's another affair, isn't there?

SPEAKER_01 15:08

I think that you are talking about uh the stuff that is going on between Catherine Martel, uh who owns the the timber mill and Ben Horn, who owns the Great Northern, who is Audrey Horn's father. Yes. Now there's a lot going on. I did have to when when Ben Horn came onto screen, you did turn to me and go, I don't know who that is. There's a lot of characters, yeah. And they're all in various relationships with one another. Yeah. So Catherine Martell is yes, married to Pete Martell, who found a fish in the percolator. Yeah. Um, but it's cheating uh on him with Ben Horn. And it the implication is they've been doing that for quite a long time, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

We used to do whole afternoons and you're only leaving after an hour.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Were we ever so young?

SPEAKER_02 15:59

And then he kind of sucks their toes and they get back at it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Uh not one of the main things I took away from the the scene, I have to say. There they do also hatch a plan uh to to burn down the mill. Well, there was this conversation I think that was like In a in a uh especially in a an incredible piece of dialogue, I think. Which was where he's like, doesn't he say something like we should start a fire? Oh yeah. And she's like, Do you mean business or pleasure? And he says, I mean the sawmill. Oh, we should burn down the sawmill And then and then he sort of sucks her toes.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Yeah, um Which I mean, where are you on toe sucking?

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Because you made a little noise. I don't want to I don't want to put you on blast, but you were like, oh that exact face I had to.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Really? You're not I'm not into Okay. I you have a bit in your own We don't need to talk about it. You have a bit in your own toe. Have I ever bitten my own toe?

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Don't know why I've done that before and I didn't like it. I've I've bitten my own toenail off. Is that something? Off like the whole thing. Sometimes you can't do it with your like hands. Yes, you can. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Your hand, the clippers.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

I don't need the clippers. You just try and yank it off. We're vibes guys. But this is what we stand for, isn't it? You know me, you know us, we're vibes guys. We bite off our toenails. Yeah? Do you know what? We are yeah, do you know what I don't know why I'm questioning it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:27

Um the but but but but in that scene, amongst all the toes and the sucks. Uh-huh. And the fires. And the fires, and and we're gonna burn down the sawmill.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Just to be very clear, I would like to burn down the sawmill.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

There was a conversation, maybe something was said along the lines of maybe maybe we need more murders happening or something to what was it? Because Oh, that's interesting. Because the the because this the sawmill was shut down, right? So that was good for him in some way, right? He's struggling with this. Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm telling you, I'm just because there was sort of a com uh a comment made like maybe this should happen more often.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

So it's a glib comment, I would say. Right. Like, because so we had that phone call previously where um Catherine phones Joan Packard, who is obviously running the mill, and made the decision in the last episode to shut down the mill for like half a day because of Laura Palmer's death.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Which cost a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Which cost eighty-seven thousand dollars in change, I believe it is. Yeah. Um, and so he's obviously what you find out is that Ben Horn and Catherine Martell's goal is for the mill to kind of go away.

SPEAKER_02 18:30

Right. I think so it is beneficial that people get murdered, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Right, but I think he's just making a glib comment of like, you know, like, oh well, if there's more, you know, local tragedies, maybe it'll go bankrupt just naturally. Like he's not suggesting like we should kill a bunch of people. I don't think Well I mean you do, you mean you know, because you've seen it before. No, no, no, I I do, I know, but I've seen it before, but I'm I'm trying to exist in the timeline that we currently exist in, and I don't think he's saying like let's kill a bunch of other teenagers so that she closes down the mill and we slowly lose money that way. I think that's a mad plan. I think his other plan of just burning down the sawmill is way quicker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

And he implied that quite like gently, didn't he?

SPEAKER_01 19:14

He did, he just gently implied, in the same way that the show gently implied that there was blood on Leo's shirt, and there's just some very subtling foreshadowing on both of those things. Let's burn down the sawmill.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Uh yeah. So so you've got those, and then what what else have we got going on? What else did we learn? So the well, obviously we know about the twist at the end.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

And he let's not go there yet. So we've got James is released. So are the other two. Yeah. James goes to see Donna. Donna.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

And her parents.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

And what did you say as he walked in in his nice jumper?

SPEAKER_01 19:52

What a little fucking dweeb. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just uh look, I hate those kind of situations anyway. I don't think I've ever Have I ever had a sit-down like at that age, had a s did I ever have a sit-down meal with my girlfriend, my high school girlfriend and her parents. And her parents. Probably not.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

No, it's usually like I just I've just turned up to pick said person up. Yeah, yeah. It's like, hi, I'm Steve, and and then and then maybe they do that thing where I'm just gonna quickly go and you're left with them for five minutes and then it's like What's m excuse me, what's most likely is that um we were hanging out after school and they get home from work.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah. Rather than turning up later in the evening. Yes. Either way, I thought, you know, Dweeb vibes uh from James, who often gives off Dweeb vibes?

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Despite being a biker.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Yeah, you'd think that you'd be cooler if you were a biker, but he just sort of isn't. He's not, it's mad. He has a bike, he has that's the thing he has a leather jacket. Now that's the thing, that's the thing that makes me think Dweeb is like, yeah, sure, you wanna impress the parents of your new girlfriend, even though the circumstances of you getting together are fucking bizarre. This is two days after Laura Palmer has died. Yeah. Um I I think look, you you you ride a motorcycle, you go around a leather jacket all the time. Where your leather jacket to dinner, for God's sake. Yeah. Did he ride over in a jumper? I doubt it. Oh good. Where's the jacket? Yeah, yeah. It's uh yeah, I think you know, you've got to be yourself in these situations. Yeah. Um I think that's important, you know. I don't think you can just uh pretend to be somebody else. I think that's do we behaviour. Dweebio. No, it's not anything. Be it. Dweet Yeah, see, it's not it's not there. It's not there. Sometimes it's there. Behave Behe Dweeb. Yeah. Yeah. Um sometimes it's not there, that's fine, and we can leave it.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

I'm just trying to think of key points. Um because it jumps around so much between key points, don't I? I've got very big key points. What's that? We have the scene. Where sh James's new girlfriend went to the what's her name? He went to her Donna. Donna. Yeah. Donna went to visit Lord Palmer's mum.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

And then we get a very we get maybe one of the first surreal Explain that for me scenes about what happened. Yeah. So she comes in to speak to her mum. Yeah. Her mum says I miss her so much. And of course she says Donna says I miss her so much. Yeah. And then her mum says I miss her so much four times. Uh-huh. And then she sees Laura Palmer's face on superimposed onto Donna's face. Yeah. And she thinks she's Donna. So she's like, oh my god, my baby.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

That is a a part of the show that I think you maybe have to get used to is that look, yeah, on the face of it, in 2025, that special effect hasn't held up. No. It looks a bit crap. Yeah, yeah, but the emotional sort of aspect of that is like, yeah, one, you've got it, and also you've got to kind of just be like, we'll overlook how crap that looks, because emotionally I think that hit me quite hard. You did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

No, yeah. At no point did I think that like one, that that was actually supernatural or anything, but also it's just like, yeah, I get for a split second. I didn't get the impression that was supernatural. No. She sees uh, you know, the young girl that's in front of her, she's going through a lot of trauma. Oh my god, it's actually my daughter, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Is is there anything in the show so far that would imply anything is is supernatural? I don't think there is.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

The in the end of the pilot, when she potentially gets some sort of vision. Yeah. Alright, but then um Is that a vision?

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Is it like a connection? Because as we know, if she got a vision about it, all she's seeing is something that really happened. Yeah, exactly. Which is the hand reaching down with the necklace to do.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Yeah, I'm not saying there's any but but uh there's certainly some stuff happening because in that same scene uh she sees a man at the end of a bed.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

A man at the end of a bed. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

What that what's that about?

SPEAKER_01 24:05

What's what is that about? Yeah, what's that? And we don't know that man, right? No, we haven't seen that man before. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

What was that about? So that to me, yeah, who has seen television shows and movies before, yeah. We'll find out who that guy is. Okay. I think oh maybe we don't because David Lynch. But why my thoughts are that is like uh not a flash forward, but kind of supreminished of something that's like makes sense later. A vision, and it'll be like kind. That's the guy from the end of the bed. What then we'll get that kind of revelation at some point.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Of uh uh so so it is some kind of vision that she had, because her reaction to it is to as soon as she sees that man instantly screaming, like it's the most terrifying thing she's ever seen in her life. Yeah. That tells me to also be terrified, and I find that shot very scary. Same Okay, you did find it scary. Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

My hairs are on end now. Right, okay. Just because we said about it, because it's her reaction, yeah. But also, like, you know, you can play that often two different ways, but because her reaction is out of terror, yeah, and I'm suddenly like, oh, actually that is that was in the same way we had the shot of the fan and the stairs in in a similar respect, where suddenly that's eerie.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

There's something more immediately insidious about a man at the end of a bed. We I he's not stood at the end of the bed. He's like crouching down, isn't he? He's kind of behind the railing you get at the end of a of a bed. That's instantly much more insidious than just sort of an eerie shot of an empty room, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 25:42

And also she's not in the bedroom. Yeah, that's also another scene.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Yeah, something else. Yeah. Yeah. There was also I I it was inter it was interesting we lingered on another character that we have seen briefly before, but you might not have actually cognised, and it's fine that you didn't. In the the hospital. In the hospital, there was a man with one arm. Yeah. Yeah, who got out of the elevator and then went towards the morgue, where I think you have to assume Laura Palmer's body is being held. Yeah. Because earlier in the episode, Cooper uh tells uh he he gets on the phone to Rosenthal, is that his name? Could be. He gets on the phone to another agent that is like we can hold the body till Monday, but he's calling in help for another autopsy basically. Um so you get the impression that Laura Palmer's body is in the morgue. Um one of the the Native American deputy um of the Twin Peak Sheriff Department sees this man in the in a mirror and feels compelled to follow him towards the morgue. Um other than that, I'm not sure what to make of that at this point.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

No, but they linger on it enough that it's kind of obviously important enough that it's gonna come up again. It's something, yeah. When did we see him before? Is he in the pilot then?

SPEAKER_01 27:04

He's in the pilot very briefly. He's in that same elevator, I think, from memory. Really? Yeah. Okay. You you don't your your attention is not drawn to him? Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Is he just in the elevator and he gets out, kind of?

SPEAKER_01 27:14

I think so. Interesting. It might be when they meet uh Dr. Jacobee for the first time.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

And with is is Dr. Jacobee the Thai guy?

SPEAKER_01 27:23

He's the Thai guy. Well, he's the Hawaii guy. Thailand's not that close to Hawaii, but it we we'll we can call him the Thai guy if you like.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Yeah, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Uh it's a good question. Because Hawaii's like property, we're the vibes guys, we're not the geography guys.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Of the states, you know, the mainland, right? Yeah. Looking at get Google Maps up. Yeah, but I think it's a good thing. So then if you keep going that way, Thailand is next.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

I do a number of podcasts with you now, and on one of them the other day you said if you go east enough, you're west. So I don't really know what you're talking about. I used to think Belgium was in France. But to be fair, they do speak French. So speak German. Do they also speak German? Yeah. It's all a mess down there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 28:08

We should get out.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

It's all a mess. It's all a mess. It's 2016 all ever again. We don't want to talk about the Hawaii guy. We don't want to talk about the Hawaii guy. There's there's some other little stuff that I just I think we should maybe just draw our attention to, even if it's not stuff that you're like, oh, I want to talk about that, I want to talk about that. We should talk about um obviously we learn a little bit more about Ed and James's relationship, and that's his uncle, and he takes him with his brothers out of town. Big Ed. Thank you. Yeah. Um we also learn about uh how Big Ed was thinks he was drugged at the roadhouse before the fight. Yeah. Now I don't look, I don't know at this point. But or is it because Big Ed's pride has been hurt? He's like, no, I wasn't actually punched out by a teenager. I I think someone put something in my drink and I was unconscious before I even got punched.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

I think because I was surprised about that in the pilot that like he was out cold for like the whole scene. Yeah, like just dead. Yeah, and so like when he did it.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Yeah, no, I don't think it was because he was drugged. You think he was drugged? Yeah. It doesn't sound like my big head.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

It doesn't sound like my big head.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, so that's fair. Um you said something about the bartender, he name checked the the person that drugged.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Jacques Renault said, yeah, uh he he he suspects that uh Jacques Renault was responsible for drugging his drink. I don't know why the bartender would drug big edge drink. Yeah. Um kind of how big he is, it'd be a lot of drugs. Yeah, exactly. It would be a lot of drugs, it would be a lot of drugs. He also um obviously there's this whole thing that like James is being released and Mike and Bobby are being released on the same day, they can't hold them any longer. Yeah, so there's that really nice uh line that Cooper says where he's like he's whittling his whistle and he's telling them that they can go now, and he's saying, like, oh just one more thing, like Colombo would uh he's oh just one more thing, pray for the health of uh James Hurley, because if anything happens to him, we're we're gonna be looking at you. Yeah um and James knows this as well. Uh there's a really there's a couple of interesting moments in quick succession where did you notice uh when the Native American deputy, whose name completely escapes me, hands James over to Big Ed, they make a signal at each other. Did you notice that? No, they both went like that, they dragged a finger down their face at each other while they looked at each other. I think it's very interesting. Yeah. I just I I caught that this time. Um, and on the way out, um James says, like, I could be in trouble, I'm gonna need the help of the bookhouse boys. Uh and Ed says, Don't worry, we've we've got it, we've got it covered. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Who's the bookhouse boys? Are we the bookhouse boys?

SPEAKER_01 30:41

We I'd love I know where this is going. I would love to be the bookhouse boys. Okay, that's interesting. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Oh, I hope they're like some greasers.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

They're like, you know, like I don't think that I uh don't don't try and get your hopes up about the bookhouse boys, but I you know I think that's I that's an interesting thing to kind of uh to kind of uh Rosenfield was the name Rosenfield Albert Rosenfield. Um we also have that um that really uh interesting scene of uh Leo uh no not Leo, Bobby and Mike. There's so many characters in this thing. And Snake. Yeah, sorry, Bobby and Snake in the cell. Who are in the jail cell and they're discussing that they owe ten thousand dollars to Leo, which is the money that was found in Laura Palmer's deposit box in the previous episode. So for some reason Bobby gave Laura Palmer$10,000. I think she was maybe selling the drugs for him or something like that. There's something going on there, right? Um and there's kind of I don't know, there's some something's happened there. There's all that stuff where James in his interview says that Laura kind of like was off cocaine, but then started using it again because something had happened two days before her death, and we we're not sure what it is. Um it's uh there's another there is another vision uh at one point that is like directly after Bobby and Mike are released, it fades to a clip from the VHS tape where Laura and Donna are dancing outside and it has just Laura Palmer's face and somebody says, help me. Yes, yes, it's not clear what that is who who is experiencing that. It cuts to Donna's mother, yeah, uh, the lady in the wheelchair, but I don't think it was her, I don't think it's connected to her, it's just something else that was there, you know. It's very creepy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:53

It's interesting that a lot of the like suspects or things that were brought up in episode one have kind of been like exonerated, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Except for Leo. Leo, right? Yeah who we are, I guess we're heading to the suspect.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

I guess I get a vibe about the guy. I don't like the guy. I I don't like the guy. I I think the the guy might be no good.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Yeah, I think he's and I think it's the ponytail. Yeah, it's definitely the ponytail. Um I would say look, I don't know, I don't know about what you're thinking about in terms of suspects or whatever, but we should talk about um Dr. Jacobi, Laura's psychiatrist who we met in the first. This is the Hawaii guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

Um, who uh Well in it well in the pilot he was very excited about the idea of doing seeing her body something right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Yeah. And in this one, he is recreationally listening to an audio tape that Laura has made for him. Yeah. That seems to be almost like the kind of things that she would say in a psychiatry session. Um so I get yeah, he's listening to that for fun.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Yeah, because he's he's he he seems quite happy about it when he first puts it on anyway.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Yes, and then he grabs the coconut as if he's putting on music. Yeah, exactly. It is, yeah, because he has it in his headphones and everything. The way they do that sound thing is very clever. It starts on the speakers and you can hear it. He plugs in the headphones, it goes to the headphones, you can kind of hear it. When he puts the headphones on to his ears, we can no longer hear what he's hearing. Um, and she is talking about how James is sweet but dull. Yeah. Dweeb behaviour. Dweeb behaviour. Sweet but dull. Yeah. Um dweeb behaviour. Yeah, it's just not there.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

It's not there, there might be nothing.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Trace is to Nowhere is is the name of this episode had a good name for this podcast. Um and is talking about how James is not like this other mystery man, and this other mystery man is somebody, and then the headphones go on, you don't find out who the mystery man is, but you do see Dr. Jacoby start to cry as he opens the coconut that he took down from the palm tree that he has indoors, yeah, and he removes from that half of the necklace, and it is clear that he well, I suppose it's implied actually that he is the person that dug it up from where James buried it.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

So, but I mean all of this, lots of revelation stuff at the end, yeah, and I'm and all I can think about is the practicalities of what is the coconut, how is it attached to the inside tree. I think is the inside tree real? No. No, okay, so it's a fake palm tree. Maybe a sort of sort of magnet system that holds this container.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

The the coconut has a hinge. Yeah, yeah. I'd be very surprised if it was anything other than just placed on top of like a little divot in the palm tree. Thanks. You know? Yeah. And I imagine he uses that to keep any any sort of thing safe. At one point I did think he was going to open it and put a straw in it, and that's how he drank stuff.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Yeah. But I lingered too long on it, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. It's uh it's good. But what what does what is going on there? What does all of that imply to you about uh the nature of their relationship?

SPEAKER_02 36:29

Well that's it, it's implying there's maybe a bit there was some sort of relationship between the two of them in some sort of fashion, but because of how he's presented, you also maybe get the the vibe that it's it was very much a one-way street.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Kind of like an obsessional thing. Like an obsessional thing with his patient. Because he now has the necklace, he seems very attached to that necklace, but we know that he wasn't given the necklace, right? Our best guess at the moment is that he stole it from where it was buried. Yeah. Not that we're actually explicitly shown that. No, that's very heavily that someone picks up the necklace at the end of the episode.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

I took the necklace. The end of the blood. In the end of the second episode, we find out who has it. Yes. You can probably put a couple of things together. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

100%. Um blood. I think that is everything that that kind of happens. There's no other questions that have been answered for us. I'm still on the search for that damn cup of coffee. Yeah. He eats sort of three or four slices of pie. Cherry pie. Um, yeah, Dale Coop is still the absolute bro. Yeah. Um, Harry is his bro, and I love Harry with all of my heart. I love them both together. They're a great uh pairing. Like that bit where he's sat in there, and uh Harry and Coop are, and we'll call him Coop because we're good friends, uh, are interviewing Joan Packard, uh, and then Joan leaves and Cooper's like, So Harry, how long have you been seeing her? Like he just he can just tell from the body language, yeah. But he couldn't tell that there was a fish in the percolator, yeah. Yeah, yeah, or how that damn cup of coffee is, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

But oh, we I mean, we also get a little bit more log lady stuff, more log lady action.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

Of course. So the log has seen something in relation to Laura Palmer's death. Yeah. Um why don't you ask it? Yeah. And he doesn't. Now he doesn't ask, but also I feel like she came into that conversation uh with a little bit of prejudice there. Right. Because honestly, I think give him a couple more seconds, he would have asked. I think he would have asked, and she immediately dismissed it. Yeah, I think Cooper is the kind of guy who would have asked. He's like, let's fucking see where this goes. Yeah, you know, but what she has she does say one day my log will have something to say about that. Yeah, yeah. Now, you know, again, uh what what's your take on that?

SPEAKER_02 38:54

Uh I mean, I have no idea. I that there may it may just be this through thread through the things, yeah through the episodes of like it's the log lady, yeah, and there's maybe something a bit more supernatural going on there, but we never find out what it is, and then there isn't anything.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

That that's because of your preconception of what you know Twin Peaks to be, right? Right, but what I'm trying to do when we watch these things is trying to put myself in the head of someone who's watching this in 1990. Yeah, you watch this and you go, it's a crazy lady. Yeah, you just think, oh, it's just a a weirdo from this weird little town called Twin Peaks and you know, whatever. But because you know kind of what Twin Peaks is, you're on high alert for shenanigans.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Yeah, again, I don't I don't necessarily think there's anything supernatural going on, but I I get the vibe that like that will still be important. Interesting. That the the log did see something, but not in the not in like a physical sense of like, you know, I don't know, maybe there's just some evidence pointed around it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 39:57

Do you feel like the the fish in the percolator might be relevant? No, I think interesting. See that that to me was just purely for a comedy. So you're just you're making distinctions between those two things though, because one is kind of mysterious and one is a comedy bit. But I think both could play as comedy bits. Yeah. And are you telling me that you don't want to know whether like who put the fish at the percolator or how it got there or why it was there? Can I can I be totally honest with you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

I assumed that when someone was chopping up the fish, it like comedically slipped out on the hands and fell into the percolator.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

It's a good guess, but I you know We don't know, do we? In the same way that it's implied that Dr. Jacoby tipped the necklace, we don't know for sure. Yeah. Uh in the same way that we don't know whether he said damn good cup of coffee or damn fine cup of coffee. Yeah, we definitely heard we will never know.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

What? We heard what he said, but no one could be sure.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

I didn't hear what he said.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

Exactly. He said something about it.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Was that in this episode? He said something about coffee. That damn cup of coffee. Yeah. That damn cup of coffee. It's eluded to me again.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Damn cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Maybe next time. Maybe next time. Maybe next time. Maybe it's a catchphrase that he does every episode. And I'll catch it on the tenth or eleventh time that he says it. But not the ninth or eighth or seventh or sixth or fifth or fourth or third or second or this supposed first. Yeah. Uh because he got because David Lynch wanted him to edit Wild at Heart. Right. His movie Wild at Heart. At this point in production, uh, David Lynch is already off directing a film.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Oh, okay, right.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

So he's kind of, you know, we talked in the last couple of episodes about how hands-on is David Lynch. Yeah. He's definitely the style guide. Like I said, yeah. Dwayne Dunham is coming in and being like, uh, I'm going to emulate what David Lynch did in the first episode. But David Lynch is very happy to be like, you do what you want. I'm not going to do I'm not going to do David Lynch. What was that? You do what you want, buddy. Uh he's he's very much a kind of like you come to me with ideas, and I'm probably gonna say yes to them. I think he's that kind of guy. Yeah. Um because I think there is a consistent tone. There's certainly a consistent tone in the writing, which is helped by being written by the same two guys. Yeah. Uh but it does definitely feel more like a TV show than uh than anything else uh for this episode, I think. Which is not a bad thing because we know it's a TV show. No. Are you enjoying it? Are you intrigued?

SPEAKER_02 42:46

I am intrigued. Okay. I I it it's such a sad thing to say this, but it's so nice to I've I'm not because I can't have any distractions in modern world, because we need to, right?

SPEAKER_01 43:03

What? Let me let me because I not have distractions in modern worlds because we need to. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 43:17

The modern world is a lot of distractions.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Yeah, especially with watching how we're doing this because like to make sure we don't go on our phones and stuff. Right, exactly. We're like the boat beliefs.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

It's really nice to kind of watch something slow and dialogue heavy. It's just it's like watching a play. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

You've lost me.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

But yeah, where where it's all it is is just scenes of dialogue and and and various things like unfolding. Uh and to be able to enjoy that kind of just the vibe of it all where the vibes guys. We're the vibes guys. So yeah, I'm really enjoying it. I I'm I'm I'm keen to see where it's gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

Uh right now, if you had to call it Who Who Killed Laura Palmer? Leo. Okay. I think that's a solid game. Yes. Yeah. That's like give given the evidence that we have right now, that's absolutely solid. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. The log. Oh, it could be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Should we leave it there? I think we should leave it there. I should leave it there for this week, I think. Um thank you everybody for uh listening. Uh, you've been listening to Welcome to Twin Peaks, a Twin Peaks podcast for beginners. Is that what we're saying? Yes. Find us on the socials. Um, I don't do you know what? We say like, find us on the socials and just type it, whatever social media you're on, type in Welcome to Twin Peaks podcast, and I'm sure we'll come up. It doesn't really matter about handles and stuff like that. What are we gonna be posting? Just like, hey, the episode's out. Yeah. Because what what I don't want, yeah, and I'm gonna politely request this of our listeners, and it you know, uh I think our listeners will be cool, guys. Don't spoil this, don't don't post spoilers, yeah. Because Steve hasn't seen this before. Yeah. So like don't you know, don't come onto the socials and spoil it for us. Um, but do come on and you know, if it's your first time watching, chat to us about what you think is going on. Uh, if it's your fourth time watching it, um come and let us know what you think about this episode and our like weird little I don't know, see what you think of Steve's uh how you think I'm getting it wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Modern world and watching. And yeah, we need to like play. Um we don't really have a sign-off, and that's fine, isn't it? Uh so we'll just sort of say goodbye, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

Uh Sayonara peak peaks.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

What?

SPEAKER_02 45:30

What?

SPEAKER_01 45:32

What? Bye. Okay, yeah. See you next week. Hello? See you next peaks. Pin peak. Pit pin weeks tin twit tin weeks. See you next see you next week. Yeah, about that.