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• Adam Scott Glasspool, Steve Murphy • Season 1 • Episode 1

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Welcome to Welcome to Twin Peaks: A Twin Peaks Podcast for Beginners.

Join Adam and Steve as they put on their investigation trenchcoats, pour a hot steaming cup of coffee, and dive into the world of Twin Peaks.

In this first episode they introduce the podcast, the season to come, and their relationship with Twin Peaks and David Lynch. They discuss their knowledge of the show, including its place in culture at the time it was released and now, the vibe of the show, and whether or not the coffee is “damn good” or “damn fine.”

They look at the episodes to come, which Adam has seen many times before and Steve has never seen in his life!

Our next episode is out next week and we’ll discuss the first episode of Twin Peaks - Northwest Passage.

In the meantime…
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SPEAKER_00

Hello. Welcome to Welcome to Twin Peaks, a Twin Peaks podcast for beginners. My name is Adam Scott Glaspool. And I Steve Murphy. You're so quick. Yeah. So quick to be. Did you think I was going to forget you?

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, I had to get in there just in case. Just in case you carried on.

SPEAKER_00

When we say this is a Twin Peaks podcast for beginners, what do we mean? And I don't actually think we've discussed this. What do you think it means? Well we had a very brief discussion in the pub before we said save it.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah. Save it. Save it. Save it. What? For now. Save it for now. Yeah, yeah. Well, uh, one, here's a slightly unique proposition that I've never seen a minute of Twin Peaks. Not even one minute.

SPEAKER_00

I bet you have seen a minute of Twin Peaks on TikTok or something.

SPEAKER_02

You know what? I've probably seen a gif of the log lady. Okay, great. We'll get to that, I imagine. Yeah. Um and but also like because because we're coming from that perspective of the fact that I've never seen this before and we're gonna start we're gonna watch these things. We'll get into what we're doing in a minute. Um, is that people could probably watch along and be the noob with me, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like listeners, if you're listening to this having never seen Twin Peaks, uh, then this would be good for you because we're not gonna get I wouldn't have thought we'll get heavily deep into sort of like symbolism and all of the metaphorical stuff that's going on. This is gonna be kind of vibes, it's gonna be like someone's my baby's first twin peaks, yeah, kind of thing. Steve, you've never seen it. Yeah, you are my baby because you've never seen it, and I've seen it uh a whole bunch, right? It's one of my favourite television programmes. Oh, lovely. Um, and I think if you've never seen it before, this is the journey you can go on with Steve. If you have seen it before, I think this will still be enjoyable because I think they'll get to see it through kind of your eyes, yeah. Uh, and also my eyes, as someone who's doing so maybe like the fifth or sixth rewatch of the first season, okay, or and the maybe the second or third rewatch of the whole of the second season. Okay. And this will be the only the second time that I've seen the third season. Yeah. Um we had discussed the idea of me not watching the third season, because we've had this idea for like a year or something, right? Yeah. We just haven't got round to it. We haven't got round, we're so busy. We're so we're so busy, Steve. Yeah. Um we we had the idea of me not watching the third season, and then in January of this year, uh I we actually don't know when this comes out because we're gonna do it seasonally, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna watch the things and it will come out when it comes out.

SPEAKER_00

So I assume it's gonna come out this year, but it if it doesn't, it's 2025 right now. Yeah, how can you do that? And in January of this year, David Lynch passed away. Yeah. And I was like, well, I'm I need to have seen season three of Twin Peaks. Yeah. Which I don't know is even if it's even called season three of Twin Peaks. I think it's officially called Twin Peaks The Return, according to whoever it was that broadcasted it. It might have been Showtime.

SPEAKER_02

Uh I'm pretty sure until our conversation in the pub beforehand, because we have been to the pub because we're pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00

Well, that's that's a cool thing to do.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't know there were three seasons. Did you not did you think there was just two? I thought it was two seasons and a movie.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the classic two seasons and a movie. Yeah, yeah. Uh well, we're yeah, so I guess that's a good illustration of um your uh deficiency uh in in this regard. Yeah sort of your illness. Thickness. Yeah thickness. Yeah. I'm down with the thickness. You always said it. I've always said it. Um is that yes, so what so why are we why why are we doing this? Why are you even interested in watching Twin Peaks in the first place?

SPEAKER_02

Well there there's this other thing as well, it's that like it's one of those things that I know I know I'll probably enjoy. Yeah. Um it's a very big thing, cultural thing, but also on the fringes of culture as well.

SPEAKER_00

It's a bit of a cult prospect, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But it's one of those things where like and I've had this with movies, and so I've I've still never watched I I started watching Godfather Part 2, right? What do you mean you've started watching Godfather? For whatever reason, I had to stop watching Godfather Part 2. Wasn't that far away? That's what we're doing after this. Watching the first episode of Twin Peaks. Yeah, that's right. And then we'll watch Oh, but um, but then I was like, uh, well, I can't just start it from there again. Yeah, I've got to watch it properly, right? Right. So like um the same thing with Twin Peaks came across where I was like, I need to watch this properly. This can't be anything where I'm distracted. Uh I can't look at the phone for a minuscule second. That was okay.

SPEAKER_00

You know that I'm hot on when I recommend something to you, I will be like, you need to watch this, you need to stay off your phone. Yeah. Because we're we're both 36 and so we remember what watching movies and TV shows without a phone was like, yeah, but we are as susceptible as anybody to just having our brains rotted with TikTok.

SPEAKER_02

Because there's there's everything in my hand. The thing is, I will say this if I'm at a movie, right? My my focus is on in a if I'm in the cinema, a movie, if I'm having movie, yeah, yeah, then I then I am fully in sure. If I'm at home, I'm very easily potentially distracted. Unless there's certain things that are like, this is I've got to put my full attention. Right.

SPEAKER_00

So when when when I said you should watch Twin Peaks, we started talking about you know, you can't go on your phone or whatever, and I thought the best way to do that was to police it and be like, You're gonna watch this with me, it's for a podcast, so you've got to pay attention, and now you're gonna watch Twin Peaks properly.

SPEAKER_02

Adam lured me in with it has to be content. It has to be content, yeah. No, you see, so like this is a great excuse that's such a weird way of putting it to watch Twin Peaks because I get to hang out with you. Hi. I get to Hello.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry, I was just I can't go. Are we shaking hands? Shaking hands. Okay, why not? There we go. Lovely. Um that would be weird for listeners of our other podcast who know that we talk on Zoom. Oh, yeah, we're in person.

SPEAKER_02

I'm we're sat we're sat in Adam's flat. Yeah. And we've got uh a lovely coffee, yeah, which I understand is something to do with Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Yeah. This is a I don't I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it in case I because I'm torn between whether or not it's uh damn good cup of coffee or damn fine cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_02

And you don't want to get it wrong.

SPEAKER_00

And now in normal life, I'd be absolutely fine with the put with the microphone for me. I'm like I don't want to get that wrong. Yeah. So but yeah, we've we've got a cup of coffee. Yeah. That famous quote from Twit Peaks. And it's it's damn cup of coffee. Yes, it is damn.

SPEAKER_02

It's either good or fine. And we'll find we'll find I'll tell you what, listeners, tune back him to find out. Yeah, tune back it to find out which it is. But yeah, no, we're we're sat and uh yeah, and I thought we can hang out, yeah, we can we can watch this uh pretty good telly, I've from what I've heard. Yes. Um, and also just kind of get to like chat about it and about what we s what we just saw. So how are we doing this?

SPEAKER_00

So I yeah, like I said at the beginning, it's not we're gonna do one episode a week, I think, in terms of releasing. So this episode is just an introduction. This is just hello, this is who we are, what do we know about Twin Peaks? Why do we want to do this? Next week will be the pilot episode. We're gonna record it immediately after watching it. And that's what we're gonna do for all the episodes, I think. Um so you you'll you guys at home, you'll have a week to listen to no you'll have a week to watch an episode of Twin Peaks. Yeah. No, you didn't know that, did you?

SPEAKER_02

No, I don't know anything. I don't know what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Well, that's what but that is an interesting question. Like, so what do you know about what we're doing? What do you know about Twin Peaks? What do you know about the vibe? What do you know about its place in culture?

SPEAKER_02

These are the things I know about Twin Peaks. David Lynch.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but in what capacity is David Lynch involved?

SPEAKER_02

Uh so director, right?

SPEAKER_00

Or creative co-creator. Right. Director of some episodes. Writer? Co-writer on some episodes. Okay. Is his creation with other with Mark Frost? Okay. They're they're they're two people that created the show.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Um I'm aware. He's a bit wacky.

SPEAKER_00

He's a wacky guy. Yeah. And you can tell from his hair.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Which you're desperately trying to emulate everything. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's looking good now.

SPEAKER_00

It's good, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's not bad. So I'm aware of the vibe, and so I've played Alan Wake, right?

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so you are aware of the vibe, yeah. That's fine. There's a little um, do you know what? I'll come back to it. Never mind, go on, sorry.

SPEAKER_02

And uh and and you collect coffee flasks in that and you get an achievement called damn something cup of coffee. Damn cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_00

Um cup of coffee. Um so yes, and there's a there's a diner in the Alan Wax universe that is mapped out exactly like the Twin Peaks Diner, which is a big thing. I'm sure you know that like American diners tap into the 50s nostalgia kind of vibe. Do you know when Twin Peaks was made and when it came out?

SPEAKER_02

Uh I I think uh 90s.

SPEAKER_00

Early nineties. Right, exactly. Very early nineties. The pilot episode actually, it was shot in nineteen eighty-nine uh and was premiered at a film festival in September of 1989, but was shown on TV in April of 1990. Now, usually we do a music podcast and I've got loads of notes. You can see me right now. Yeah. Are you impressed that I have no notes? Oh, that was all off the top of your head.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and he's looking directly in my eyes. Um, it's quite intense. Uh, from what I understand, so is Twin Peaks. Uh from my understanding, it's um yeah, quite a surreal I'm gonna I'm gonna get stuff wrong, by the way, if you're listening at home. So and don't be like uh very much don't be like this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, because the whole point is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we don't yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. I also I have not dug into the deep, deep Twin Peaks lore stuff. Okay. I'm very much a vibes guy when it comes to Twin Peaks. Yeah, I'm very much a vibe guy when it comes to David Lynch. I don't think that certainly the first two series of Twin Peaks are as esoteric as David Lynch can get, but even the more esoteric David Lynch stuff, I'm like I don't really want to know what it means if there is any kind of logical meaning to it at all. There's an inherent emotional meaning to everything, and that's the stuff that I respond to. All of the kind of analysis videos that I've seen, and some of them are great, and everybody has take different takes on what a piece of art means, um, but I don't necessarily buy into them. I don't think there is one interpretation of things that are happening in David Lynch's work. I will say there's an interpretation of the plot points of Twin Peaks that makes sense. Okay, fine. Like you know, you you know the basic idea of the germ of the plot, I think.

SPEAKER_02

So so from what I understand, uh I'm I'm sort of aware of the by the way, is it set in the 60s? No. Interesting, okay. And that that's just purely from costumes. Interesting, okay. It's set in the early 90s when it's yeah, right. Uh so it's like in the X-Files kind of universe.

SPEAKER_00

Now you have seen the X-Files, yeah. Um they're shot in the same place, yeah. Like it's all kind of like Northwest America. Yeah. Um the FBI agent that is in it, and of course, so there's another link there. FBI agents wears the long trench coat, like Mulder does. I don't think the X-Files would have happened without Twin Peaks. That's a little mark on its cultural prowess. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So when I say the X-Files universe, I'm not suggesting they're in the same universe. Who knows? I know what you mean. Um but same vibe. So, yeah, same vibe, and then from what I understand, wet plot forest.

SPEAKER_00

So wet forest. That's a heavy X-Files vibe for me, I think. And it's yeah, and it's in Twin Peaks as well, just like water dripping off of pine trees is like a big thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Uh the episode of X-Files with the giant bugs in the forest, that kind of vibe. Yeah, Darkness Falls, yeah, sure. From season one. And the cocooned guy. Yeah. Um, that it's a bit Wickerman vibe to me in my head. So interesting. Investigator goes to a town, yeah, a village or whatever, and is uh investigating from what I understand, a murder.

SPEAKER_00

Murber. Yeah. Yeah. Murder. Murber. Yeah. Uh yeah, right? The the the the principle? Am I right, guys? Yes. Yeah, there's an FBI agent who's investigating a murder. That is the principle of Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_02

And he kind of goes to a backwater kind of isolated village town. I'm gonna get this wrong. Yeah. Don't say if I'm right or wrong, or do uh and that's podcasting. Uh where it's a damn cup of coffee. Um where you know things aren't what they what it what it what they seem on the surface. Bloody out. Bloody out. Some people are a bit more have a bit more mmm before the now what do you now now what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_00

Do you mean do you mean like uh there's nuts people in it? Wait, no. But they're all smiley. Do you mean do you mean like a breaking bad kind of like crime aspect, or do you mean an X-Files kind of supernatural kind of thing?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like I don't know if it I don't know if it's supernatural, but it's that kind of vi. Oh interesting. Okay, okay, I'm very in. Um not necessarily that it is, but yeah, that there's a kind of things are things are something's off. And I think it's that I again this is all just uh like absorbed from various images or clips or things I've seen that that things aren't really seen, yeah, but there's a kind of everyone's got this front that there's something going on in this town, but like there's a cover-up kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00

You know, that's that's what I think. I'll tell you what, that is that is definitely something that David Lynch, as someone who writes and directs movies, is concerned with. Okay. The the the the stuff around I mean you could say about a lot of the stuff that he that he works on, but I would say especially Blue Velvet um is is is a movie about the dark veneer that lies underneath the uh prototypical American town that we know from the 50s. White picket fences, yeah, red roses, yeah. Those are the first images you see in blue velvet, and then the camera goes down into the underground and you see lots of worms kind of crawling around. That's the David Lynch vibe. Right. The darkness that hides behind our polite veneer of society. Yeah. I'm I if I remember correctly, you haven't seen anything by David Lynch ever at all.

SPEAKER_02

Uh is there a movie that's like David Lynch, but like you'd be surprised if it was? The Elephant Man. I've seen The Elephant Man. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

That's the one that I think most people have seen, but I don't think you've seen Mulholland Drive. I don't think you've seen a clip from it. Great. No, no, you haven't. You've seen a clip from Lost Highway.

SPEAKER_02

I've seen a clip from Mulholland Drive. Which is the clip you've seen from Moholland Drive? Yeah, you're talking a diner and then. The man behind Winky jumps out of an alleyway.

SPEAKER_00

The man behind Winkies. Yeah. You've seen a clip from Lost Highway. That's the I'm in your house, call me guy. Um you might have seen bits from Blue Velvet. Do you know where in his career Twin Peaks lands?

SPEAKER_02

Uh like towards the beginning, but not the first thing he's done.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think he's done He's done a Razorhead and Elephant Man and Blue Velvet by this point. Yeah. Which is interesting because I think this comes like the early 90s, we're before this quote unquote golden age or time of like prestige TV, right? Where it's not unusual for um Martin Scorsese to direct some TV like he did with that vinyl show, and it's not weird that Steven Spielberg produced a band of brothers anymore. Right. But it is kind it was kind of weird at the time for a guy who had directed films to be making TV. Yeah. And we hadn't reached this whole thing of like Game of Thrones, every episode has a budget that's as big as a small movie. Right, yeah. You know, we hadn't reached that at all. In fact, there's an argument that Twin Peaks kicked that off. There's a quote that I read from uh somebody, I I it was a critic maybe, who said that the pilot of Twin Peaks is the closest thing they'd ever seen on television to art.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Okay, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00

I think they were talking specifically about the cinematography.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Because I wonder how much again from the vibe that I am aware of and that whole picket fence thing, is that is he tapping into using uh he's almost using how do I put this? I actually don't know. He's using the format of television uh as a media, but like he's not making it for TV, like TV just sort of fits the thing he wants to kind of get across, the vibe he wants to get across, and that kind of uh television kind of sixties or whatever the vibe that they're kind of doing fit that a bit more. Because from what I understand that you have told me is that some of it is a bit like a soap opera.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, right. So this is very this is interesting. Uh I wanted to get on to like what you thought the vibe was.

SPEAKER_02

Um before we do that, should we not go like what like you are a lynch boy? You're a lynchpin. I'm a huge I'm a linchpin, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00

I'm a huge lynch boy, yeah. So so I I have yet to see everything that he's made. Right, really? So what haven't you seen? Uh I haven't seen the straight story. Um and I haven't seen some of the shorts and stuff that he's made, and I haven't seen Dumbland. Um and I do you know what? This might, I don't know, people might turn off. I haven't seen a razor head yet. Okay. Um that is because I've never wanted to get to the end of David Lynch's filmography.

SPEAKER_02

Especially now, right?

SPEAKER_00

In the world, I've always yeah, I've always wanted there to be something else that I'm gonna be able to see. Yeah. Um you know, that's uh that says that that's something about me more than than than about the movies. But yes, I studied a film in college and university, my first experience of David Lynch would have been Twin Peaks because it was shown in my film studies college.

SPEAKER_02

I think we watched Elephant Man in school.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe, yes. Uh the the the the lesson that they this is it's it's m maybe bordering on spoilers, but they showed us the first uh ten minutes of the pilot of Twin Peaks, and then they showed us the last five minutes of the final episode of Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Um it was to teach us about narrative. And I and I won't go any further than that here and now. Uh but then off the back of that I was like, well, who is this Dave Lynch guy? And I remember me and my friend James Quinn uh going to the college library, we would have been about 16, and watching Marl Hollandrive on DVD in the library with like headphones on, yeah, like that, and kind of laughing at the fact that he had included clues in the DVD booklet that came with it, and some of them were like pay attention to the opening credits. There are at least two clues before the film even starts. Right. And they were clearly bollocks, and we I remember that finding that very, very funny. Um, and he's always been um just kind of even if you don't like his stuff, he is at the very least the most interesting director that was ever working at that time.

SPEAKER_02

Right. So how old were you was it Moholland Drive you said you watched? Yeah. How old are you when you watch that?

SPEAKER_00

So I would have been 15 or 16 when I watched Moholland Drive. 16. 16 when I watched Moll Hrive drive.

SPEAKER_02

That's like the first full piece of media you saw.

SPEAKER_00

That's the first full bit of David Lynch media that I saw.

SPEAKER_02

And how does something like that affect you when you're that aged? Especially if you were in uh college and you're I'm I'm an artie guy now. I'm an art guy now. Did that kind of was that a kind of like a kicking off point for how you've dealt with your entire existence creatively?

SPEAKER_00

Kind of. Yeah. I didn't know I didn't know that you were allowed to make films like Maholland Drive.

SPEAKER_02

Right. You thought they had to have a certain structure and they had to have a certain narrative and they had to say it a certain way, but sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's scary. Yeah. And then suddenly, suddenly somebody subverts it completely. And you're like, huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And that scene that you've seen in the diner has almost no bearing on the narrative of the film at all. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. That's funny for me. Yeah. I also I I feel bad that I've seen that scene because from what I understand, it's one of the scariest things that you could have seen.

SPEAKER_00

It it it's it freaked us out for for sure. Um, it definitely opened my eyes to the world of the alternative. Um on our other podcast, we've talked about Radiohead doing that for me for music at around the same time. Yeah, yeah. That's what I thought. That's what we wondered. Uh yeah. Met uh David Lynch, as it were. And he's just always kind of stood out to me as an original. I mean, you must have some kind of you must have some kind of gauge on that yourself in terms of David Lynch is almost always the weirdest guy out there working.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I'm aware he's like in the alternative and he, you know, sur surrealist. Like I kind of put him alongside DALI, but for movies. Yeah. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. That's that's cool. I have a quote from Martin Scorsese talking about David Lynch where a few days after he had passed, um this is what Martin Scorsese, one of the greatest directors of all time, had to say about David Lynch. I hear and read the word visionary a lot these days. It's become a kind of casual description, another piece of promotional language, but David Lynch really was a visionary. In fact, the word could have been invented to describe the man and the films, the series, the images and the sounds that he left behind. He created forms that seemed like they were right on the edge of falling apart, but somehow never did. He put images on the screen, unlike anything that I or anybody else had ever seen. He made everything strange, uncanny, revelatory, and new, and he was absolutely uncompromising from start to finish. It's a sad, sad day for movie makers, movie lovers, and for the art of cinema. But Eraserhead, The Elephant Man, Blue Velvet, Wild at Heart, the Two Twin Peaks series and the film Firewalk with Me, Lost Highway, The Straight Story, Moholland Drive, Inland Empire. As the years and the decades go by, they will just keep growing and deepening. We were lucky to have had David Lynch. Wow. That it I do feel that way. Like we are lucky to have lived at the same time that uh an artist like that was creating their work, you know. Yeah, but like could embarrassing obviously that Martin Scorsays he doesn't know about the third season of Twitch.

SPEAKER_02

Well, yeah, I don't I don't want to say it. Yeah. But he does seem like one of those directors that like lived, and you're like, yeah, of course, but like it is mad that is it was so recently. When was it? Was it this year? It was this year, January. Yeah, that is crazy. Um uncanny is an interesting word, because that's that's what I'm trying to impart when I was saying that you know it's all seems smiles on the surface, but underneath it's something a bit like for that's the kind of vibe I get from it.

SPEAKER_00

The interesting thing for me is obviously I went Marholland Drive and then I watched some of his other films, and I can't remember what order or what they were, to be honest with you. But I think Wild at Heart probably would have been in there. Blue Velvet would have 100% been in there. Inland Empire was in there because I went to see that at the cinema and came away feeling a very uh particular way about it that I wasn't maybe expecting to feel. I don't think I liked Inland Empire when it came out, which makes sense. Um but then when I got to Twin Peaks, which I didn't watch until I was in university, um, so I would have been 18, 19, 20, 20. Yeah, 19 or 20 the first time I watched Twin Peaks. It's not that uncompromising experimental art vision that we've just talked about for David Lynch. It's very much a television show.

SPEAKER_02

It's quite watchable. Because we yeah, we before I asked you about David Lynch, you were talking about vibe, and I said about the soap opera thing. That's a big thing, yeah. So so is it is it quite watchable watchable, like like or or is there some long draw I don't know what I don't know. It's kind of cheesy, yeah. Right. Okay, that's yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Like he I think he loves he he's someone who's very interested in 50s Americana, yeah, throughout all of his work, and also all kind of like he's like a a dark John Waters, and I don't know if you necessarily know what that means, but John Waters is very interested in kitsch, and I think David Lynch is interested in kitsch in a similar way, but he's interested in it in a much darker, sort of less celebratory way. It's more kind of ingrained in his filmmaking vibe. Um but he um I think part of that is is his love of the TV that he watched growing up, and it was probably stuff like I mean this wouldn't have been when he was growing up, but I think he would have been fascinated with stuff like you've heard of Dallas and Dynasty, yeah, and all these kind of like soap operas where everybody's cheating on each other, yeah. There's murders, and you know, everybody's involved in everybody's involved in each other's business, and there's a lot more of that in Twin Peaks than you might be expecting. Okay, it is not the kind of prestige TV have you seen True Detective? No, right, true detective though, you kind of get the vibe, right? It's Matthew McConnell, it's Woody Harrelson. Yeah, the whole eight episodes or whatever it is is focused on this very specific murder case. Okay. Twin Peaks is not like that. Okay. You're that yes, there's a murder kind of case going on. You're also going to find out about the guy who owns the hotel and someone who's staying in a room somewhere.

SPEAKER_02

Just some of their business sometimes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and some of the business dealings at the at the timber mill and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02

This is why I need a good watch because I want to get into that detail. Whereas like I genuinely think this is this is just the way the world we're living in right now. I could get easily distracted away from that stuff, and I want to sit in the vibe of this.

SPEAKER_00

Um I'll tell you it's slow. It is slow. Exactly. Because it was made in the 90s. Sure. You know, like it's not built for you know us.

SPEAKER_02

So so these are these are the things I have seen and aware of. Okay. Okay. Forgotten the actor's name already. Carl McLaughlin. Him. I can't, I will not be able to say that word. McLoughlin. McLaughlin. Yeah. Did it cool? What do you know about Carl McLaughlin? Uh he plays The Villain in the Flintstones. The villain in the Flintstones. I don't know a lot about is he in Friends? Yeah, probably. It seems like he might turn up in Friendstones. I don't know. But like it sounds like anyway, no. But like I don't know a lot about Carl McLaughlin apart from the lovely things he said about David Lynch after he died. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I know he's been into him peaks. Um he's also in Blue Velvet, uh, and he was in Oh fuck. David Lynch made the original Dune. Oh, yeah, of course. Carl McLaughlin's in that. I can't believe I forgot it. So sting. Yeah, so they have an they have a very close working relationship. Uh Carl McLaughlin and David Lynch. Uh, yeah. He do you know who he plays? In Twin Peaks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Uh the FBI agent called John FBI. That's right. Yeah. He is the FBI. Oh my goodness. It's like Peter Buck on the plane. Um but well so well, we'll find out. But uh, I know about um a lady that has a pet log. I wouldn't say it's a pet. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I think that's very disrespectful.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, interesting. Interesting. Uh I know the actress passed away in the last few years. Yes. And uh I have seen the scene with the backwards talking dwarf dream sequence, yeah, uh, parody to death, mainly in The Simpsons.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's sort of a big you know, you hate to say it, but linchpin. Yeah, you know, and the We will say it because we will say it because we can't the um the the the red room, right? The curtains and the zigzag floor and all of that stuff. Yeah. That the the gum you like is coming back in style and yeah, sure. Sometimes bend backwards and all that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_02

Oh god, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that that's it. Cool. Uh a lot of trees, a lot of pine trees. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The owls are not what they seem.

SPEAKER_02

Did you know that? I didn't know that. Okay. Do I have to look out for the owls? How many owls can I spot in an episode? Do you know what I I'm trying to remember it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00

It doesn't matter. Okay. I do know what like a lot of the questions that I have around what is happening in Twin Peaks or what happened in Twin Peaks or what will happen in Twin Peaks. Yeah. The answer to a lot of them is doesn't matter. Sure. Um Which is interesting because there is a central mystery, yeah, which is who killed Laura Palmer. Okay. Um, and that's something we'll dig into as we go. Okay. We'll maybe we'll we'll catch up with you at the end of each episode.

SPEAKER_02

And ask me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we'll figure out who you think killed Laura Palmer at any given episode. Okay, now it's the owls. I'll tell you what, I I don't know if I can tell you yes or no on that one.

SPEAKER_02

Great. Yeah, that's good. Uh yeah, so I I I mean, like, are you are you quite interested to see what I think of not really? No. Um all right, guys. Well, it's been it's been a good experiment, I guess. Uh no, no.

SPEAKER_00

I I am I am interested to see what you think.

SPEAKER_02

I think you know that I'll probably get on board with it, right? Like, I'm not I'm not a skeptic where I'm gonna be like, oh this is shit. Like, I think I'll want to uh get involved and get into the vibe of this, whether I understand it or whether I like am desperate to come back for more.

SPEAKER_00

Is it I don't know. It'll be interesting to see. I'm interested in in the discussions that we'll get into for sure. Yeah, fair enough. I'm do uh I'm I'm gonna say this, but then I want you to immediately forget it. I'm I'm saying this for the purposes of of the podcast. Yeah, don't worry, I will. Which is the which is that I think you're gonna really enjoy it up to a point. Okay. Uh and and I think Is that when the normies drop off? It it can be. Okay. I I'll say, you know, there's there's bits of season two, and and you know, there'll there'll be people who have watched Twin Peaks religiously who may well agree with me on this. That when you get into the the back half of season two, there's bits I I drop off sometimes. The the the the first couple of times I've the reason that I've seen season one way more than season two is because I got to a point in season two where I would always just stop watching.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Uh and and it took me a few goes around to go like, no, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna make it all the way through.

SPEAKER_02

So here's what's good about this: we can't fall off. We can't fall off. We're forced to watch it. Exactly. So maybe maybe that will be Yeah. It'll be easier to push through that.

SPEAKER_00

And then season that there's a movie between season two and season three.

SPEAKER_02

So that's fire walk with me. Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, and that's one of the best movies I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_02

Now it's fire walk with me, right? Like walking on fire with me. Not asking a fire to walk with me. Because I've always said it as fire, walk with me, not fire walk with me. Is the answer just yes? Surely it's fire walk with me.

SPEAKER_00

I hadn't considered walk over hot coals with me. Right, that's interesting. I had never considered that.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Right. I had always heard it as fire, comma, walk with me. Yeah, there is no comma.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

But I have I I I do agree with you. I think the answer is firewalk. Yes. Yeah. No, I I think it's both. It's both. I think it's both or neither. Okay. Yeah. But I also think that that is what we're going to get into with Twin Peaks, is that what does this mean? Is it this, this, this, or this? And the answer is yes.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um which I love. You know that I love that about art. Yeah. You know that I think art should be asking you questions all the time, both of the piece and of yourself. Um the all all of the best art is a mirror. Yeah. Uh, which I think is what he's doing with Twim Peaks. He's holding up a mirror to American society in a lot of ways. I also think there's people out there who would argue he's holding up a mirror to American TV, um, especially in the return, the third series. And I do think that when we eventually get there, and we do plan to get there, but I think you m uh we we're gonna struggle with season three, maybe.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. That's kind of what I was trying to say earlier, is that I think that the the TV uh worked for what he was trying to uh portray, rather than going, I'm gonna make a TV series, what should it be about? It's I want to uh do this, and TV is the only format that can fit this because that's the only way to hold up a mirror.

SPEAKER_00

That's what I'm expecting. Interesting. Okay. I don't think the mirror is as obviously held up as I may be implying. Okay. Like there is it is at its core a soap opera with a central mystery that just goes darker and weirder than most soap operas would go.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

But I also think we've talked a lot about David Lynch, yeah, and we should talk a lot about Mark Frost. But I don't know loads about Mark Frost because he's not fucking David Lynch, you know? But I think actually David Lynch's uh contribution to Twin Peaks is slightly overstated.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

He does he's not as involved as you might think that he is.

SPEAKER_02

Is he more of a creative director? He's overseeing the project, yeah. And early on he was way more involved in it, and then he kind of passes us some of the stuff.

SPEAKER_00

He directs the pilot. Okay. I can tell you that right now. Um he co-wrote the pilot with Mark Frost. I think he directs episode two. That's all he directs of the first season.

SPEAKER_03

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Because it's TV, you have a bunch of directors coming in, you have a bunch of different writers for each episode. He's mapped out the the larger story with Mark Frost, and he's just kind of there to be like, hey buddy, that script. I'm not gonna dictate it.

SPEAKER_02

I was ready for an impeccable impression then.

SPEAKER_00

Um he's like, Yeah, that script seems good. Yeah, do it, yeah, yeah. And and and then when he you know he comes in later in the season and directs bits and pieces. But for the second half of season one, he's not even there. He's making wild at heart. Well, that's the thing, he's a he's a big movie director.

SPEAKER_02

He can't be on the set movie guys, he's so big.

SPEAKER_00

Come on, what's the big fucking director gonna be doing TV? Come on, movies hit David Lynch. Oh, so you can do a spot on David Lynch. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't want to bring it up, but yeah, I can't. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, so of course you can't be involved in every single uh minute of a TV set, which is hours and hours and hours, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00

I've I've seen some reports that like he was there a lot, but he was like twiddling his thumbs. Uh, people would come to it with ideas, and he'd go, like, sounds good. Yeah. Like it's just a it's just kind of like a yeah, do that. Oh, cool. Yeah. Which which makes a lot of sense in in in his movies. Like, I know that a lot of his stuff comes out of improvisation on the set and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02

So So's a lot of that in Twin Peaks then?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. Okay. I don't know. Interesting. Um I'm excited. Yeah, man. Okay, so what have we got? We've it it's an X-Files-like vibe. Yeah. But with additional soap opera. Yeah. You're about to hear one of the best theme tunes in TV history. Okay. I'll say. Has it got lyrics? Twin Peaks. No, it doesn't have lyrics, and that's what's honestly good about it.

SPEAKER_01

Everybody needs just twin peaks with a little understanding.

SPEAKER_00

The theme to neighbours.

SPEAKER_01

And a perfect something.

SPEAKER_00

What's the theme to home and away?

SPEAKER_02

Oh god, it's so good. How does it go? Uh, you know we belong together. I don't know this. You were not forever and ever.

SPEAKER_01

He's touching my knee. Walking on air. What? Just to know, just to know you are there. Hold me in your arms, don't let me go. I want to stay forever. Closer each day.

SPEAKER_00

Home and away. I know that last bit. Okay, interesting. That is a good theme tune. Thank you. Similar or neighbours and home and away in terms of vibe, not dissimilar to two weeks, I will say. Amazing. Less Aussie, I imagine. Yeah, yeah, much less Australian. Um, yeah. So one of the best theme tunes. Uh, it is weird, it is slow, it is dark. This is your first experience with David Lynch, which is very interesting. Uh I think so. So the first episode is an hour and a half. Yeah. It was a two-hour premiere. It was originally premiered at film festivals. Um, so yeah, so it's a two-hour premiere with with ads. Of course. So we're gonna see the hour and a half version, and we're gonna watch the US version, not the European version. The European version has an additional 20 minutes in it uh that wraps up the mystery. That was also part of why we're doing this. I was like, please don't watch the wrong one. Please please watch the correct one for the for the series.

SPEAKER_02

So I've acquired it, and Adam was like, No, no, no. Just in case it's wrong, here is my here is my DVDs.

SPEAKER_00

That's right, you've got DVDs. I I uh gave myself the excuse to buy the Blu-ray set, the entire mystery. Um we will be doing season one, we'll be doing season two, we'll do firewalk with me, we'll do the missing pieces, okay, which is an interesting sort of thing, uh, and then then we'll do um then we'll do the return.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, this is how we kind of said at the beginning of the episode, but we are literally gonna before before we record for an episode, we will watch it. Yep. We will then As the credits roll the credits roll, we will start recording it. That's the idea. So instant reactions will happen. Who it might just start with, whoa, who knows? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

You'll get some more instant reactions from Steve than you will from me, because this is my fifth, sixth time of seeing some of these episodes.

SPEAKER_02

Adam, some instant reaction might be like seen it.

SPEAKER_00

Boring. Yeah. This shit again.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that kind of thing. I doubt it. Maybe by episode three that's me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um there is a chance that you just don't fucking get on with it.

SPEAKER_02

I'm I'm up for it. I'm excited. This is gonna be good.

SPEAKER_00

Alright. Yeah. Should we do it then? Should we watch Northwest Passage? Yeah, that's the title of the pilot episode.

SPEAKER_02

Northwest Passage.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Interesting. Got anything you want to do with that? No, something about passage. Yeah, I thought I could. You saw a little smoke there. You'll glean in your eye. Gleam in the eye. We'll just make space for that.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, yeah. Sort of bums and stuff. Yeah. And then um, we will literally, yeah, so so next week you will hear our reaction to Northwest Passage. Episode one, but not episode one, pilot, right? Of Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_00

Don't get me even fucking started. I mean, technically they don't have some of them don't have titles, they're just like episode one, but they have like unofficial titles or whatever that are taken from the episode. We're gonna look, we're just gonna use the titles as they are on Wikipedia that aren't like episode one, episode two, episode three. Yeah, but yeah, technically episode two is called episode one. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, it's just look, let's not bother. Let's would Northwest Passage is the name of the next episode. Yeah, guys, you've got a week to watch uh Northwest Passage. We're gonna do it now, but you guys have got a week. In the meantime, we should do socials and and stuff, but I don't actually know what they are.

SPEAKER_02

Well, let me let me bring it up live.

SPEAKER_00

Why don't you look it up?

SPEAKER_02

That's my phone.

SPEAKER_00

See, you've been so prepared, you're like, no, I'm gonna put my phone away for this. That's uh that's great. I'm following it. You're following it, are you? Is it like it's probably Welcome to Twin Peaks podcast? Don't like we can edit this. You're not gonna are you nah. Oh no, I think it's welcome to Twin Peaks. Actually, actually Welcome to Twin Peaks pod, probably. That sounds like something I would have done. You can't find it. Look, by the time this comes out, we'll we'll have it, won't we?

SPEAKER_02

Am I following it?

SPEAKER_00

I don't I don't know that you are, but I'm sure if you just type in Welcome to Twin Peaks podcast, whatever, it'll show up wherever no one really cares about social media these days. But just tell your friends if there's someone who you think should have watched Twin Peaks by now but hasn't, they can do that journey with us. It could be me. Yeah, you could imagine that. I don't really think they'd want it. That's not a selling point. Um the also, if you've seen it loads of times, maybe you'll get different takes on stuff. I don't know, maybe I'll just regurgitate the same old shit that you've heard hundreds of times. But it'd be funny the way, like as if you need a fucking excuse to re-watch Twin Peaks. Come on, sort your life out. Uh anyway. Thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_02

Sort your life out. Goodbye from Welcome to Twin Peaks.

SPEAKER_00

Goodbye from Welcome to Twin Peaks. I like that.